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== How'd I do??==
::Using the photo upload feature was a snap. Just like wikiHow in usability. Added the photo and included
::the attribution in the cutline. I'm not sure if that's the "right" way here or not. An editor can change
::it, if desired. Thanks so much for all your help. See: [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Betty_Crocker]
[[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 23:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)Mary Ash
== Archive ==
Hi Matt, you forgot to add an <nowiki>{{archive box}}</nowiki>! --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 14:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
== PLEASE don't resign! ==
Matt, please don't resign. We need you and CZ will lose a major force for good if you resign. Please reconsider. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
: I've already spoken to you privately. Whilst I hope you reconsider, I understand your reasons. Enjoy being an author again! --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 09:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
== Popping in to say "hi!" ==
I wish you had not resigned from your position. You are truly needed here. Thanks to you I stayed and have contributed a few articles. More will be on the way. Please keep in touch as you are the first, and only, net friend I've made here. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 05:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
== Thought you'd like to read this ==
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/John_E._Mack in reference to this article and how I am trying to learn how to do references without HELP from your editors. (unindent)I've done my best to add the citations you requested. I hope you are enjoying your laugh fest at my feeble attempts to learn how to do this. May you all enjoy your party at my expense of trying to learn and help. Mary Ash 02:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC) [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 02:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::Just added this:
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT! Shouting intended. What I don't understand is how a wiki that desperately needs authors treats them so poorly. You've treated me like I am supposed to LEARN everything about your wiki INSTANTLY and I am sorry to say that's impossible. I am bright but not bright enough to learn in a second what took you guys awhile to learn. I did try to add the references and I am sure there'll be complaints about how the article should be deleted because it wasn't done right. There is no winning. May you all enjoy your little party of a few as it will remain that way until YOUR wiki learns to ENCOURAGE new authors rather than stomp on them until they desire not to help at all. Yesterday I was in a quandary as to what to do. I love writing and I would love to write here but it's nye impossible due to the hostile environment. So go enjoy your laugh at my expense and feel good about yourselves for running me off. I quit unless a constable (which I notified) takes action to improve my ability to contribute here. May you all do your happy, happy dance. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 02:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I tried copy and pasting wiki markup from another page as I have never done this. Two of your editors have refused to help after criticizing the article for lack of references. I did leave all references used in the exlinks. As for now I quit. I'm sorry I know how hard you tried to help me. I know how hard I tried to reach out to you guys. I'm sorry but it's not going to work out unless this become a less hostile environment. I did leave forum message to that effect too. On a positive note:  Ro and Aleta both have been very helpful and encouraging. I will miss them as they represented the best of CZ. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 03:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::::I put one of your references in on the bottom of the page using the link that I put on your talk page.  Take a look.  You have to check off a few of those check boxes (including 'use the ref tags'), but just use trial and error and you'll be an expert in no time.  I wouldn't bother asking some people to help. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Some of the statements above are quite inaccurate. The issue was not markup, but the absence of bibliographic information. See Hayford's comment as well. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 03:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
(unident) Well I could write that's full of excrement but I won't. This is what I posted to the Mack talk page. I have included citations in the exlinks and I've written that all along.
Posted to talk page:
You can NOT expect someone to learn ALL that YOU know in two weeks. I've complied with every request made by CZ editors once I learned what was needed. I DO understand stylebooks and citations. I was required as a PAID journalist to LEARN the AP Stylebook as part of my job. I also kept a copy of my AP Stylebook at my desk for reference. NO ONE including YOU or anyone else has sent me to a link explaining how to insert the references. I HAVE included every reference used in every article written at CZ. They were in the exlinks and I notified the editors and anyone else where to find them. Nor has anyone bothered to show me HOW to insert the Wiki Mark Up the whole time I've tried to learn. As to the photo insertions, and I've done plenty at wikiHow and as a paid journalist, I gave appropriate credit. The source was listed along with a link to where the photo could be found. What I have discovered is some folks at CZ are friendly and helpful. Some are not. Some people's priority to criticize others seems to exceed their priority to have the site succeed.Mary Ash 04:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
== Left this on the Mack talk page ==
:Hubby dearest has asked that I not contribute here after reading the comments left by some of the CZ contributors. He read the talk page comments and could not believe the comments made and lack of support offered by some of the key CZ contributors here.
My physical health is not the best and my trip through CZ has now lead me to call the doctor today. I'm sure my doctor will want to run a CBC and liver panel to evaluate my health.
Chris, Matt, Ro and Aleta thank you for being very encouraging and positive. CZ could use a few more people like you. I forgot to add the biggest reason I stayed as long as I did was because Matt was so kind to me. You are the shining examples of what wiki contributors should be. A good wiki creates a supportive environment and helps each other look good. For example:  one wiki contributor may be good at editing and adding wiki mark up while another is good at writing. In a good wiki they would collaborate and help each other make their wiki the best it could be.
I am sorry it didn't work out. If my health improves I may return. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 16:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:I look forward to creating an environment where people like you can work and actually have fun. Do keep an eye out, and don't forget to vote in the upcoming elections. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 17:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
== Assistance with userpage ==
When I signed up I provided more personal information than I probably should have , especially as it was copied over to my userpage on creation.  My userpage as it is now is fine, as I have removed the information, but obviously it is still avaiable in the page history.  Could you please assist in rendering this personal information inaccessible?  Or possibly pass this request to someone who can?  The simplest methods that cpme to mind would be to delete the page and then recreate it with the current content, or to simply change the visibility of the older versions (there are only 2). [[User:Bradley Fleming|Bradley Fleming]] 01:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, Bradley, we could use a little more information in our bios!  We want people to know who we are at Citizendium ;) Let me know if I can help with anything else.  If I'm not available, feel free to ask anyone and I'm sure they will be glad to help. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 01:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks.  I will probably getting around to expanding the bio, but without some of the information that was removed.  [[User:Bradley Fleming|Bradley Fleming]] 01:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
== Photo Attribution ==
This morning, after feeling so much better, I realized why I was doing this. Any work done for hire and any work paid for by the US Government, or by an employee of the US Government, is considered work for hire or public domain. See:  http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf Attribution automatically goes to the agency that paid for the work and since we all paid for the federal government photo it's considered public domain. That means the Mack article and the Osprey article were correctly attributed by me. It would be best to change the current attributions to the Harvard Press Office and US Government for those photos as they are now incorrect. It is nice to credit the photographer, if known, but the correct and presumably legal attribution goes to the agencies involved. I fulfilled my ethical and professional responsibility by notifying Citizendium of their error. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 15:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:Mary, if you will look closely at the photo of John E. Mack that you uploaded, the photo itself has attribution to Harvard Press at the bottom (in very small print). As for the the V-22 Osprey photo you uploaded, the current credit line (which I added as required by CZ) has both the U.S. Navy (which is the government agency) and their photographer's name (who took the photo).  So all is well. Thanks for your comment and concern. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 17:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
== [[Petroleum naphtha]] is due for final approval today ==
Hi, Matt: Can you do the final approval or is that done only by Hayford? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 17:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
== Something strange with approval of [[Petroleum naphtha]] ==
Matt, although the Draft version of the approved article has the references intact, somehow the locked, approved section does not have the references. What happened? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 17:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, that was weird!  It totally removed the [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Petroleum_naphtha&diff=100698438&oldid=100698023 refs].  I have just started using Apples Safari browser and it has some kinks.  It could also be that I just added that WikiEd that makes the refs show up a different color.  I'll bet that had something to do with it.  I'll keep an eye out next time!  I'm glad you caught it (and Hayford fixed it :) [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 21:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I was just talking to my computer guru friend about this strange occurrence (and other problems with browsers) and he said, "Every browser is like an interpreter -- it reads new text line by line and interprets what to do with it. So if one browser sees some text with two curly {s in it ahead of a SPACE, it does one thing, but MAYBE another browser, which is being rewritten by some gear-heads somewhere, looks at the SAME thing and decides that it doesn't like that SPACE and simply gets rid of it." I think that this must be what happened when you did the Copy and Paste of the text -- the browser decided that it didn't like those <Ref) things for some reason and just decided to ignore them entirely. Make sense? Hayford Peirce 22:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm just glad it got straightened out. Thanks all, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
== Used the reference maker link to write this article ==
I used the reference link maker to create this article. It took me about four hours to research and write this article. I used the reference tool you sent which made it so easy. Let me know what you think, if you have time. Thanks! [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 04:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


== Requesting Constable Assistance ==
==Leave questions and requests below==
Request Constable assistance concerning edits and accusations concerning this article: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Schnitzel. Check the talk page and edit history and you will discover the continued harassment and demeaning behavior by one of your admins. Explain to me why I bothered to try again?[[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 20:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


:Hi Mary, I'll take a look. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 21:28, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
==Question re 'disambiguation' pages==
Through the 'Move' tab, I renamed [[Oxidation]] to [[Oxidation-Reduction]], for reasons stated on the latter's Talk page.  In addition, I created a REDIRECT page, redirecting [[Redox]], an article we don't have, to [[Oxidation-Reduction]], because oxidation-reduction reactions are commonly referred to as redox reactions.


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We also have an article called [[Redox modulation]].  Will any problems arise if I create [[Redox/Disambiguation]], and include both [[Redox]] and [Redox modulation]]?  In other words, can a disambiguation page contain an article name that redirects to another article?


::I'm sorry but I just needed to vent. Almost, well every article I have submitted, has been a battle. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 01:17, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. &nbsp;[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 21:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


:::Apology accepted. You can vent all you want... just hit cancel instead of save ;)
:Edit:  I should have written [[Redox (disambiguation)]]. &nbsp;[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 21:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


:::Nobody promised that collaboration would be easy! The goal is to end up with accurate information and the idea is that the more heads the better. Of course, with more heads, that means more egos.  The real challenge is fighting your own ego when someone makes a change that is actually better :) [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 01:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:: No problems, but then [[Redox]] should redirect to the disambiguation page. And shouldn't the title rather be [[Oxidation-reduction]] (lowercase "r"). --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 22:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


==Your fix==
:::Sounds right.  So [[Redox]] should redirect to [[Redox(disambiguation)]] which would list [[Oxidation-reduction]] and [[Redox modulation]] as two links. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Governing councils and ancillary positions - why didn't I think of that? [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 00:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


:Haha, you saw how many time I '''''didn't''''' think of that! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:37, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
== Please complete Approval Mechanics for [[Cypherpunk/Draft]] ==
==Thanks for the good Dyscalculia edits ==
There's a ton of information inside the PDF file referenced in the article. It's one of the best I read. I may work on it some more later but I needed a rest. The brain is tired. My eyes are swollen from too much computer use and I need a break. Thanks again![[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 03:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


:Sure, it was fun.  I saw the PDF and agree it is pretty involved.  I wish I had the texts where she got the information, too.  Daniel is a psychology editor, I think.  He might have a lot of good stuff. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:35, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, I just now certified [[Cypherpunk/Draft]] for approval.  Will you please complete Approval Mechanics to replace the currently locked version.  Thank you.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 20:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC), Approval Manager


== A question ==
:Matt, thank you for completing the process.  I think Pat Palmer should have been the second approving editor, not Anthony.Sebastian.  I missed that on the metadata page.  Not sure we need to make any change, or that we even could if we wanted.  Sorry, learning curves get steeper progressively after age 70.  May have to up my fish oil supplement. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 01:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


Matt, this is about the reviewing of requests for membership. When a request is put on "Hold" or is "Rejected", how long is it before they are completely expired and expunged from the queues? It seems as if that almost never happens. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 04:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
::Haha, you're not the only one, Anthony! I can't keep all these rules straight :)  SO, does Pat have to put her name in the template herself (like editor's used to do before)? [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


: 30 days for those on hold, 7 days for rejected ones. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 05:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
== [[History of economic thought]] certified for approval ==


== A different question ==
Matt, will you please complete the Approval Mechanics for [[History of economic thought]], which I certified for approval today.  Thank you.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 14:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


I have been looking at the special pages, and the page for the shortest articles gives these results [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special:ShortPages&limit=500&offset=0] - basically all the same, thousands of pages each containing one letter or number. I have read the discussion [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:David_Yamakuchi here] and [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Template_talk:Props here] and I still can't work out what they are for! Do you know? Cheers! [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
== [[Alice and Bob]] certified for approval ==


: These pages are how David Yamakuchi wants to store chemical properties for use in property tables. They are used by [[:Template:PTofE]], see [[Periodic Table of Elements]]. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 09:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, will you complete the Approval Mechanics for [[Alice and Bob]].


::Thanks for the reply, although I am not sure that the periodic table is where all the short articles are coming from. Take the example of carbon, if you click every link in the little box for carbon in the periodic table template all the links go to an article of some sort. To get to the short pages you have to go to the [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Carbon/Properties properties page] of the article about carbon where you find a table, and it is clicking on the elements of the table that leads you to the short articles, like [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Carbon/Atomic_number this one] and [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Carbon/Atomic_symbol this also]. So the short pages are, from what I can see, repititions of the details already in the table, and are unlikely to be expanded. So I was just wondering what they were for. Cheers. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 10:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 19:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


::: David, I did not analyze the coding of this template. But if you look at [[Periodic Table of Elements]] in edit mode then you find that it uses many of these pages. Anyway, as you can see from the talk pages, David Yamakuchi vehemently proposed to use such single data pages for this purpose, and he created many of them. (I do not know if he completed this job.) Some of us (including myself) opposed this idea. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 10:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
== [[Economics]] ==


:::: Wow, that is a lot of articles.  I have not followed the development of the periodic table since the early days, but it looks like it had some discussion and was thought out to some degree.  From a constable perspective, an editor would have to look it over and give some guidance as to whether any of it was unnecessary and needed to be deleted.  It should be documented somewhere so that we don't accidently delete something important that we won't know the effects of until it's too late. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 11:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, will you complete the Approval Mechanics for [[Economics]], please.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 19:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


:::::They were for use in the property tables for the articles about each of the elements as well. For example, look at [[Chlorine]] and its edit page. There was indeed a lot of discussion about them. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 16:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:Matt, shouldn't the [[Economics]] Talk page be archived/moved and a fresh ones started for the new Draft? [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 15:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


::::: It not only needs discussion from and editorial point of view (opinions were not very positive on it), but also from a technical point of view (efficiency). --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 12:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
::As part of Approval Mechanics, we've never archived a talk page immediately after an approval.  Archiving has historically been left up to those working on the page. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


== About new user [[User:Brian Kelly - UKOLN|Brian Kelly - UKOLN]] ==
== [[Passive attack]] certified for approval ==


Matt,  please look at my comment about that new user's name on Chris Key's talk page. Thanks. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 16:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, will you complete the approval process for this excellent article. I set status to "0".
: I have already asked him Milt. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 16:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 22:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


::Thanks guys.  It seems that we already have a Brian Kelly, so he had to make another choice.  We're working on getting him a better name. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 18:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
== [[Active attack]] certified for approval ==


:::I don't mean to be a pest. But why "B Kelly" instead of "B. Kelly" ? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, also this fine article.  Status needs zeroing.
Thanks. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 23:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


::::I am more surprised about seeing an even more ambiguous name apparently regarded as a solution for disambiguation. I would recommend to disambiguate user names (just like everything else) by way of parentheses, with UKOLN being a good choice in this case. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 21:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:Excellent.  I'll get to those as soon as I get a few minutes in a row. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:05, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


::::: Indeed, retaining the first name is preferable. But using a designation like UKOLN -- that may be valid for a limited time only -- is not a good choice. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 21:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
== Cryptology certified for approval ==


:::::: It was the name he picked. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:13, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, Cryptology certified for approval.  Will you complete the approval process. Sandy will be delighted to see the three computer articles approved and locked.


::::::: But shooldn't a name -- the name with which he wants to be addressed -- be in the signature? --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 22:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks.  And thanks for taking on this constable job. —[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 18:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


:::::::: What if it is already taken.  Are you suggesting Brian K. I suppose that's a possibility.  Maybe we would rather do that. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
==Could use image help==


(unindent)Peter, using "the name with which (anyone) wants to be addressed" just opens the door to pseudonyms. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 23:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Matt! I uploaded this image today and for whatever reason the image did not upload correctly. Could you please fix it or guide me to someone who could help. See:  http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/File:512px-Robert_patton.jpg Thanks! [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 01:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


:I think pseudonyms or other additional identifiers would be fine if put in parentheses after the real name. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 23:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
== Articles needing completion of Approval Mechanics ==


::Daniel, do you mean like: D. Matt Innis(Matt). [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, so far as I can tell, three articles still need completion of Approval Mechanics:


::: (edit conflict)
*[[Passive attack]]
::: Milt, I think you know that I was not talking of pseudonyms. But the use of an abbreviated name does not work. It is at least inconvenient. Should we write "Hello, B"? Or are we supposed to look at his user page first?. Perhaps "B Kelly (Brian)" would work. (Is this what you meant, Daniel.) But should another "Brian Kelly" register, then a new idea would be needed. (Only a generic solution like numbers would solve the problem completely.) --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 23:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
*[[Active attack]]
*Cryptology


:::: (edit conflict)
Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 20:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Brian Kelly is a very, very common name. Why not start numbering  such members? Brian Kelly 1, Brian Kelly 2, etc. If we already have a Brian Kelly, then we could start with Brian Kelly 2.


::::Using UKOLN in parenthesis or in any other form strikes me as possibly being interpreted as promoting the UKOLN ... in other words, self promotion. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 23:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for making this easier for me Anthony.  Sorry for the delay. Got an IPad for father's day and it doesn't allow me to edit easily here at Citizendium, so I had to wait till I was able to drag out the ole laptop. We also lost one of my great nieces this week, so there has been some lack of motivation. But, things should be back on track here soon. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 15:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


:::::Numbers solve the problem in theory but not in practice - not everyone will find it easy to remember whether a particular comment had been made on the talk page of Brian Kelly 17, Brian Kelly 18, or perhaps Brian Kelly 42. Self-promotion could be a problem, but I am not sure it necessarily will: If Brian Kelly (Coca Cola) is editing the article [[Coke]], then everyone will be warned, and if he goes on to edit [[Charles Dickens]], it will most likely not be a case of self-promotion any more. But I haven't thought this through yet. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 23:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
::One can never really know someone else's reality, since much of it's interior. Hard to lose a loved one.


::::::@Matt: If we were to have several users "D. Matt Innis", I would prefer to see the "D." expanded first, or some other identifier added. Re-using "Matt", which is already in the original user name, does not provide much disambiguation power. In connection with Milt's comment on Self-promotion, what about having users choose a neutral identifier from a list of basic words (like [[User:Daniel Mietchen/Basic words|here]]), or possibly the title of an article that they particularly care about? In such a scheme, I could be Daniel Mietchen (Brain morphometry), and if that were already taken, I could opt for Daniel Mietchen (Surface-based morphometry). This would also be a bit more inviting in Recent Changes than names alone, and it would generally be more easy to remember than numbers. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 00:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::I too acquired an iPad recently, just learning. If you find a way to edit CZ using it, please let me know.


:::::::(EC)The parentheses would be a precedent that we should think hard about. It might be part of the solution, but we need to be consistent about what we put in them. We need to allow enough variation that several identically named people can register.  B. Kelly (Brian) probably doesn't leave enough variation. Currently, when registering, the software will not allow the creation of an application if the name is already in use. I believe it asks the user to try another one (Chris would know for sure).  Whatever method we choose, we'd have to have a way to explain the options to them while they were registering. Surely there is a solution that doesn't involve numbers, but I guess that would be the most simple from a sign-up process. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::Anyway, we've added three more excellent articles to the approved category. Thanks for making it official. —[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 02:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


:::::::::@Daniel, basic words.. Why not just alphabet.  Brian Kelly A, Brian Kelly B, etc..  Then we would call the Brian B, or Brian BL if there were enough. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
== Millions of Users ==


:::::::::: Persnally, I would prefer a short disambiguation. Letters seem to be a good possibility (the second gets A, etc., unless middle name or a variant of the name can be used) Of course, Daniel's argument (easy to confuse, may still hold). Article names could be interpreted as "owning" that article. If a "long" disambiguation is wanted, then perhaps place of origin could be used. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 00:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Matt. I found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Facebook and thought I'd pass it along. Coupled with some people-powered marketing via Twitter and Facebook and perhaps some paid Facebook ads keyed to display when the keyword "Wikipedia" is used on a Facebook page, it could perhaps kick some life back into this project. Obviously, people on Facebook already use their real names. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 08:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
*This is a great idea, in my humble opinion. Citizendium is a ghost town... piggybacking off Facebook's single sign on and verification process could be a brilliant way to attract more people. Having a 'Citizenium Facebook page' and some targeted ads could bring in more (much needed) Citizens [[User:Eric M Gearhart|Eric M Gearhart]] 13:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


(unindent) I would be agreeable with either letters or numbers. How about asking Chris Key for his input? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 01:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
== Citizen's vs. Citizens' ==


:Hi, Matt: Has there been a decision or resolution on how to handle B Kelly's user name? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, our logo shows: Citizens' Compendium. Otherwise, very nice. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 02:09, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


::Hey Milt, Nope.  I put it on the constable mailing list and received no response. Hopefully, we can take this discussion to a MC meeting once they get started.  We need a decision once and for all. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:Of course! Thanks, Anthony.  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


== User account for [[User:Deepak Mahaan|Deepak Mahaan]] ==
::The latter seems to make a bit more sense, though either might do. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 08:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
==Speedy delete==
Matt could you please delete the image of Robert Patton as it did not upload correctly. I have placed a speedy tag and explanation on the image page:  [[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/File:512px-Robert_patton.jpg]]. Thanks! [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 16:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


Matt, I reconstructed his user bio (as I had done when his user page was created) by using asterisks instead of his bullets so as to have a listing  of his accomplishments rather than a single run-on paragraph that was most difficult to read. I also reconstructed his categories as you asked me to do.


But just so I know in the future, why was a "renaming" needed? I don't understand why the the "move" wasn't sufficient or how renaming differs from moving. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


== Care to comment? ==
This discussion [[Talk:Memory_of_water#Digital_biology]] needs more opinions. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 23:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


== Final approval of [[Explosives]] due tomorrow ==
:Mary, Sorry for the delay.  I'll get to it ASAP! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 17:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


Matt, just a gentle reminder for either you or Chris. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


:Thanks, Milt.  It looks like it is on track for a single editor approval tomorrow! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


== Thanks from TJ, but . . . ==
::Done[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 17:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


My thanks to the constables who set me up so quickly, but there is a little over-enthusiasm involved. I received two accounts, one as "T.[space]J. Frazier" and the other as "T.[no space]J. Frazier". After looking at the two constructions in several type-styles, I decided that the space was indeed functional, so I'm keeping (and busily using) that one. Please feel free to vanish the other one; it is unconfirmed (never logged into). As a check, the active account already has half-a-dozen minor edits, the kind of little stuff I usually do. ''tj'' --[[User:T. J. Frazier|T. J. Frazier]] 01:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
== [[Europe]] is now certified for approval ==


:Hi TJ, We noticed that, too!  I've already deleted the T.J. account and removed the user pages as I noticed that you were using T. J. account.  Hope you have fun! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 04:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Matt, [[Europe]] now certified for approval. Will you complete the Approval Mechanics.


== Question ==
Thank you.[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 20:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


Couple questions really. In the search box (top of page) when I type what I want there are no suggestions based on what is available. On some sites when you start typing in the search box it starts giving you suggestions, like if I type ''Bar'' it might open a small box next to the search with suggestions like ''Barack Obama'' and ''Bart Simpson''. I find that quite helpful as you know before you finish typing if you are heading for a red link. Can we have that?
:Matt, I changed the version, and the final approval date. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 03:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


Been looking at an approved article, [[Guglielmo Marconi]], and the main article has no references, which are divided between the external links and bibliography section. While I understand the reasoning behind this, it means that someone wishing to research further a particular aspect of the article has no direct link to supporting material. The links, while annotated, do not enable the reader to quickly find information on a given aspect of the article, more there just to support the article as a whole. Is there a policy about this?


And finally, do you have an opinion on [[User talk:David Finn#Uncited parts|this question]] (the link is to Howards reply, the question preceeds it) about citing our experts? Cheers. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


:Ad 1: Please try it with "Bar" &mdash; works fine for me (using the Monobook skin). It's just that we do not have very many articles yet, so the feature is not as helpful as it could be. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 12:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
::Done. FYI, Anthony, I was able to use the iPad for everything but the last step which required pasting the entire article over the redirect. I still don't trust it (or myself) enough. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


::If it were that simple I wouldn't have had to ask! But you are correct, I was using a different skin which doesn't support the extra search box functionality - which brings up another question, why don't all the skins behave in roughly the same way? I like the search box but I don't like the monobook skin - I was using the default skin which doesn't support it. So, can we have the search box functionality of the monobook skin in the default skin? I think, especially because it is the default, it would be useful to newcomers. And thanks for the reply! [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 19:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Matt. Someday I will ask you the meaning of "pasting the entire article over the redirect"...
[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 04:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)




:::Hi David, I see that you've received an answer on your first question which fosters another that I am not equipped to answer.  However, we do have some capable programmers here (Daniel being one) that I think are able to make those changes programmatically.  Our experience has been that changing skins has satisfied some while upsetting others, so we've decided that decisions need to be made in much the same way articles are written - by collaborating with others that might have different perspectives.  Being bold certainly gets the attention and should trigger discussion and cooperation to make it better.  Hopefully, the new charter has set up the Management Council where these decisions can be made after reasonable consideration of all the details.  Your suggestions belong somewhere in that process - so do keep bringing them up.
:::The next to last step is to copy the entire draft article from the draft and paste it back into the main page.  The redirect was created when the original article was moved to the draft location.  Hope that makes sense! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 04:25, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


== just testing ==


:::The same goes for Howard's response to your observation and question concerning expertise.  The obvious (and original idea) was that if three experts approved an article, then it would be much more likely to be accurate and unbiased and therefore considered a good reference source. Of course, that remains up to those who actually use our materials.  As you've noted, the approved version is locked, but every other version can be altered and impossible to tell who authored what text. The only thing we can tell is that an approved article does have an expert's endorsement (whether he/she wrote it or not). This means that only approved articles can really be endorsed by Citizendium. The only other way we have been able to consider an expert's opinion is to allow them to write a 'signed article' as a subpage.  It would be up to the reader to decide whether they want to believe that writer's version based on their advertised credentials.  I'm sure that we might be able to figure out a way to cite our experts, even if it is with a link to their user page, but it needs to be thought through carefully, because unless the article is approved, any author can come along and change that experts words without the expert knowing and might damage that expert's reputation.
Am finally able to sign in and am making an edit to make sure the wiki is working. FYI, we've been broken off and on for hours. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


== [[Theodor Lohmann/Draft]] certified for re-approval ==


:::Keep those thoughts coming and take part in these very important discussions on the fora and on the Councils over the next few months and years.  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:34, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Matt, will you kindly complete Approval Mechanics for this article.  Thank you.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 22:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


:Finished. Thank You! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:15, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


==Homeopathy==
::And thank you. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 02:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey Matt, if you have a moment (or two), can you look at some of the discussion we're having in the homeopathy article. I made a series of recommended improvements, but Howard and I are having a challenging time getting along (and more important, we're not developing consensus).  I find that he mispresents my recommendations and comments and that he makes up exaggerated statements from me as though I actually said (or even suggested) them.  I had taken a rest from CZ for many months and decided to try to help the article.  I initially thought that I would comment in the Talk section only and try to simply allow others to do the editing.  I assume good faith, but I just do not see it.  Several editors at the homeopathy just have strong antagonism to homeopathy, and they want the article to represent their viewpoint.  I don't have a problem with having their viewpoint represented, but I want the article to also respond to their viewpoint. 


As it turns out, I'm going out of the country on Wednesday for a week and will probably not do much editing here...but I will try to watch and participate a bit.  Still, it seems that a referee is needed...or perhaps, I may just choose to not participate and to work to not turn this Draft into an article.  [[User:Dana Ullman|Dana Ullman]] 03:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
== please delete a false-start article ==


:Sorry, Matt, but I consider Mr. Ullman to more than equally misrepresent, changes subjects, etc. I don't see good faith either.  Bluntly, it is impossible to create consensus when two sides consider the others to be idiots. At best, it can be reasonable to state what homeopaths believe, and the biological science objections to those beliefs.
Matt, I erred in titling [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Managing_Editor/2012/005_-_Importing_external_articles:_Step this article]. Please delete it for me. I started a new one with the title I wanted.  Thanks. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 03:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
:Got it. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


:It is fair to say, I believe,that there is strong antagonism to homeopathy from quite a few participants in the article, including Health Sciences Editors as well as Authors. Mr. Ullman seems to consider "respond to their viewpoint" being a statement that homeopathy works. I do not presume to tell homeopaths how they believe their remedies work, but I strongly object to inaccurate characterizations of conventional drugs, characterizations that, for example, presume to tell drugs designed using such principles as receptor structure-activity relationships, "might" be actually working by the principle of similars. Equally, using appeals to immunologic authority over a century out of date is also not a plausible or nonconfrontational approach. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 04:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
== [[Civil society/Draft]] certified ==


:Dana - you say you are going out of town for a while and won't be able to do much editing on Citizendium, but a quick look at your [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dana_Ullman contributions] might indicate that few would find a lack of participation from you unusual. That quick look also shows that in several years of being a Citizen you have only ever edited the article on Homeopathy, apart from when you reverted Citizendium's founder over at the Charles Darwin article - a reversion, I might add, that was over homeopathy.
Matt, will you kindly complete the Approval Mechanics for [[Civil society/Draft]].
:Dana - the encyclopedia is about more than one article. Your contributions and user page give the impression of someone who is advocating homeopathy. Your goal appears not to be the general improvement of Citizendium but the advocacy of homeopathy, which also seems to be your profession.
:Dana - I would strongly encourage you to broaden your Citizendium experience to include topics other than homeopathy. There are many opportunities to contribute to this encyclopedia without restricting those to advocating your profession. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 08:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::I do feel like we need to take the high road on this issue and learn a bit from Rational Wiki's page on homeopathy. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 09:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC))


::: Taking the high road and learning from their page are certainly not mutually exclusive, but I do think they go a bit far. I'm not sure the licensing allows us to use the wonderful [http://xkcd.com/765/ XKCD cartoon], but we should definitely link to it. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 10:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 03:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
:Finished.[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


(undent) I've been watching the conversation on [[Talk:Homeopathy]] and find it fascinating, yet unsurprisingly unproductive to date.  I am somewhat concerned that some of the discussion skirts the professionalism policy and appears to be an attempt to impugn the character of our editors and authors.  As a Healing Arts editor, I won't intervene as a constable on the page and will limit myself to my area of expertise concerning the alternative medicine practice part of the article.  I leave the science to the Biologists and Health Science editors. 
== [[Block cipher/Draft]] certified ==


I don't see a problem with Dana only working on Homeopathy related articles, as a matter of fact, I consider this essential to Citizendium that is different than Wikipedia.  Experts don't usually have the time to write about subjects that they have little interest, so I would hope Dana feels comfortable just keeping us informed about the subjects that he has editorship over.
Matt, will you kindly complete the Approval mechanics for [[Block cipher/Draft]].


Having said all that, it is my experience that once people finish with name-calling and chest pounding, there is usually some small bit of meat that we might be able to use in the article. In this case, I see a tidbit that Dana mentioned that Homeopaths do more than use materials diluted beyond Avogadro's number, which is enlightening and probably something that even Howard can agree belong in an encyclopedia article.
Thank you. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 04:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


I'll keep watching.


[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 12:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:Done.[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


:Good point. I'll leave it to the experts to decide where the line is drawn. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 11:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
==Re-approval of [[Air pollution dispersion terminology/Draft‎]]==
The [[Air pollution dispersion terminology]] article was approved on January 26, 2009. Since that time, these minor edits have been made:
# I added a wiki link on Feb 3, 2009
# Caesar Shinas updated the coding for one of the images on June 8, 2009
# I updated the ADMS reference link on July 7, 2009
# I deleted part of a reference link on October 12, 2009
# I corrected a spelling error of one word on February 17, 2010
# I added another wiki link on September 20, 2010
# I corrected a wiki link on May 24, 2011
# I replaced 3 broken reference links with 3 live, working links.


== Final draft of the CZ charter ==
As you can see, the above edits involved reference links, wiki links, a spelling typo and updating of an image coding. None of them changed any of the article's content. On that basis, can you just re-approve the article once you have verified the above listed edits? Please let me know. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
:Hi Milt, I've asked our approvals manager, Anthony, to take a look so we can do it for you. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 16:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
::Draft will be certfied for re-approval 26-sep-2012 if no objections. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 22:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


Matt,
:::Matt, will you complete Approval Mechanics.  Draft certified for re-approval. Thanks. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 20:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:I read the final draft of the CZ charter and want it to detail the special rights/powers of an editor over others (it doesn't seem to do so at the moment). I couldn't log in there, so please include that in the draft.
:I'd also like to change my name to just, "Ramaanand", so can you help me?
:Thank you,
:—[[User:Ramanand Jhingade|Ramanand Jhingade]] 17:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


== Corrected votes total ==
::::Done. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:13, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi Matt, this would also mean to change the 87.8% to 90.3%. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 13:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
==Speedy deletion==
:Another good catch, thanks Daniel! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 13:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Matt, I've tagged a meta page left behind when I moved a page for deletion ([[Template:Pantheon/Metadata]]). It's not urgent, but I just wanted to check that I've used the right template as there are 135 pages in the automatically generated category. Thanks, [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 21:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
==Added back bio==
You now know that I am retired Republican Women president, retired journalist, married to a Vietnam war draftee yadda yadda yadda... Thanks![[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 01:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


Well, now that I know you're a republican, that changes everything!!! :D [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 01:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi Richard!  You were right on the mark.  That's exactly how you do it! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
:My response to Mr. Finn: ''As Ann Landers would say MYOB. The charter now states a user page is the sole responsibility of the user. That is part of the new charter. I am not sure why you have taken on the job of "net police" at CZ as you are not an admin or any other related position. You are a regular citizen just like me. FYI I am a strong believer in privacy and placing so much personal information on one Internet page is something I have never, ever done during my 15+ years of being on the Internet except at CZ. I'd be more than happy to share my resume with any established Citizen including you, if you have a need to know. The new charter is in place so I used the opportunity to edit my user page as I saw fit. Finally, at the request of Constable D. Matt Innis I have returned my bio until the final details are finished. As for now, the new charter allows a user to determine what's on their page.''[[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 15:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


::I think that is a perfectly reasonable response.  Thanks again for adding your bio. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 15:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
::Good to know, thanks for sorting that out. [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 21:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


:::You do? So you think that I am acting like a member of the "net police" who should "Mind My Own Business"? Do elaborate. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
==Neanderthals and political cartoons==
I was briefly reading through the [[Neanderthal]] and noticed [[:File:Caveman diet.gif|this image]]. It was included in a section on diet, and as it's a political cartoon as removed it as it's not relevant. But now I'm wondering if it should be deleted. There's no licencing information on the file's page, and as it's not used perhaps it should be deleted to be on the safe side? [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 22:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, Richard, I deleted due tothe questionable copyright status. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 17:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
::By the way, I noticed that in the Approved version of [[Ancient Celtic music]] there's a problem with one of the references. It's after the third sentence of the second paragraph at the top of the article. After "By the time of Augustus, musical education must have widely gained ground in Gaul, otherwise Iulius Sacrovir couldn't have used the erudite Gauls as a decoy, after Sacrovir and Iulius Florus had occupied the city of Augustodonum during the Gallic insurrection in 21 AD." Looking at the source, I think some noinclude tags are causing the problem. There are several of them, but only one seems to be causing this problem (I'm not sure what the rest are doing). [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 22:43, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


:::I'll take that as a yes. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 05:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
== Re [[Pompeii]] and [[Steam generator]]==


::::::::::David, I don't know what has gotten into Matt  ... but I want you to know that I don't regard you as the "net police" nor do I think you should be told to mind your own business. You did nothing wrong at all and you did not deserve being labeled as the "net police"  and the rant on your Talk page. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 06:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Matt, I certified [[Pompeii]] for Approval. Will you kindly complete the Approval Process Mechanisms. Thank you. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 14:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


(outdent) Thanks for the vote of confidence Milton. Looking at the history it might be that this thread was just too far up the page for Matt to notice since yesterday. I will continue to wait for a reply however since if what Mary has said is the opinion of the community then I have misunderstood my place in that community. From my perspective, I asked Mary (quite pleasantly, I thought) if she was planning to restore her biography - she could have said "No" or even "Yes" but instead I find my supposed intentions discussed on the forums. I find that a little disheartening, so at this point it is quite important for me to establish what Matt means when he considers Marys allegations as reasonable. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 06:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
:Matt, have you had a chance to complete the Approval Process for [[Pompeii]]? [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 04:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
: You may have noticed from the forum thread that I agree with Milt. Pointing out (in a friendly way) something that is (supposed to be) wrong is not acting as "net police" but part of the cooperation needed for CZ to work. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 10:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
::The correct procedure would have notifying a Constable of a potential infraction. It is the job of the Constable to take care of such matters. If every Citizen is allowed to "police" or correct other user pages mayhem could ensue. This is not the only time David Finn is offered to "correct" me and I have politely responded to his "corrections". In actuality, I probably have a bit more CZ membership time than he does, but I do not go around offering "help" unless asked. I posted this to Peter's page. Thanks![[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 14:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


(Undent) David, I did miss this, sorry for the delay.
::Also, [[Steam generator]]. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 03:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


Well, I have to admit, I didn't know what MYOB meant and I guess I could have used the "noacronyms" template on that and it might have saved some trouble.  Notice I said "reasonable", not "wonderful."  If you're asking me to act on something as a constable, I don't have any documented reason to act against either of you for talking to each other professionally.  #1) Mary's bio was fine.  #2) David's request was fine. #3) Mary's response was fine.  #4) It doesn't matter what I think about what any of you said as long as it follows [[CZ:Professional|professional guidelines]].
== Nomination for the Management Council ==


Lord knows we've all said things that we meant to be harsh and for good reason. I assume Mary knows why she said what she said and I don't need either of you to justify what either of you said.  Everyone pays their own way. Personally, I like both of you, so I wouldn't have said what either of you said to each other, but that is just me being me, not a constable.
You have been nominated for a seat on the [[CZ:Management Council|Management Council]] in the [[CZ:Election July-August 2013|July-August Special Election]]. The nominator was myself. To accept or decline this nomination, please visit the [[CZ:Election July-August 2013/Nominations#Management Council candidates and links to their Statements|Nominations]] page by midnight UTC on July 27th. You may write an election statement for each if you wish (linked from the Nominations page).


Milt, nothing new has gotten into me. Same ole' me.  I still appeciate all your work and all your efforts.  I suppose you're just seeing me from a different perspective.
The Management Council seat expires on either June 30th, 2014, or June 30th, 2015 (the successful candidate with fewest voting receiving the shorter term). In the event that [[CZ:Election July-August 2013/Referenda/1|Referendum 1]] is passed, all seats will expire on June 30th, 2014. Thanks! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 17:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


Peter, I agree that's how it should work.
== Delete account ==


Mary, watch out for that tendency to "kick the dog".
Hello Matt,


David, tread carefully on other peoples talk pages, even if your intentions are for the good of the project.  That is why we only let constables change user pages in rare cases.  Not because you were wrong, but because requests like that do tend to be taken personally. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 16:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I would like my citizendium account to be deleted, and that my name does not appear anymore on Citizendium.


==Finished a stub about Turkish Van cats==
I've tried to figure out how to do that myself but I've failed.
Just finished a stub about Turkish Van cats. The article has another title as I messed the first one up. Could you please remove the article titled Turkish Van cats...as the correct article title is Turkish Van and is in place. See:  [[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Turkish_Van]] Thanks again![[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 02:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


:Wow, that was quick!
Best Regards,
:Okay, ready to learn something new?  If you want something that you messed up on deleted, copy and paste this on the article page <nowiki><noinclude>{{speedydelete|REASON|~~~~}}</noinclude></nowiki>.  Don't forget to fill in the reason!  Go ahead, then I'll delete it. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
::Done and thanks! I'll be saving that tidbit for later use. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 02:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


:::There you go!  Who says you can't teach a cat new tricks!! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Sylvain
::::It helps to have a good teacher like you. Thanks again! BTW I hope my being a Republican is a good thing. I was thinking about writing an article about the Tea Party but I don't know how that would fly here. I am not a Tea Party member but I do believe in a lot of the ideas they are trying to bring back to America. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 15:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


:::::I'm sure being republican means something to someone, but it doesn't matter to me.  I can't believe we don't have an article on the Tea Party - are you sure we don't?  If not, start one!  Just keep it neutral :) - like a reporter. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 15:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:I have reduced Sylvain's user page to the briefest of details and deleted the edit history. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 22:11, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
(unindent) Of course! I was a governmental affairs reporter which meant I covered all things political whether it be conservative or liberal. My job as a reporter, and as a CZ contributor, is present information in an unbiased fashion. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 16:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


:[[Tea Party Movement]]. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 07:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
== Looks Quiet ==


== Hoosiers ==
Hi Matt. I was just checking in to see how things were going, looking at recent changes and such. I've done this from time-to-time over the past two years plus. It seems like the project has been stuck in sort of a rut for a long time. :-(


'''Hello''' D., it's a pleasure to meet you; Bloomington is a great town and I've always enjoyed my visits there. The older and crotchetier I get, the less sure I am that I could live in a college town, but it's beautiful nonetheless. And the campus blows IUPUI out of the water. [[User:Justin Anthony Knapp|Justin Anthony Knapp]] 04:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I have ideas to breath new life in to the project and would consider donating some time to put feet to them. Email me if you think the ideas might be worth considering: stephen.ewen AT gmail.com


== I confirmed account for [[User:K. Ramesh Babu|K. Ramesh Babu]] ==
[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 07:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


Matt, I hope you don't mind that I confirmed an account for  [[User:K. Ramesh Babu|K. Ramesh Babu]]. You had placed his request on hold and asked him to furnish more identity information. However, when I checked the website he had already furnished, I found his name and the email address he had given us. The page I found is [http://www.axewords.com/contact-us.php here]. On that basis, I went ahead and confirmed his account. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
== Request for insight from Author Representative ==
Hi Matt. I would appreciate your insight and/or feedback regarding [[User_talk:Christine_Bush| a concern I have recently expressed to Constabulary]]. I value your opinion. [[User:Christine Bush|Christine Bush]] 01:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


:Excellent Milt, I missed that!  Thanks.  Anytime you see something like that, just go ahead and do it like you did.  I'll cover your back, you cover mine! (I guess that is almost a pun considering my profession.)[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
:Sure, Christine, I'll be glad to take a look. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 01:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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Question re 'disambiguation' pages

Through the 'Move' tab, I renamed Oxidation to Oxidation-Reduction, for reasons stated on the latter's Talk page. In addition, I created a REDIRECT page, redirecting Redox, an article we don't have, to Oxidation-Reduction, because oxidation-reduction reactions are commonly referred to as redox reactions.

We also have an article called Redox modulation. Will any problems arise if I create Redox/Disambiguation, and include both Redox and [Redox modulation]]? In other words, can a disambiguation page contain an article name that redirects to another article?

Thanks.  Anthony.Sebastian 21:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit: I should have written Redox (disambiguation).  Anthony.Sebastian 21:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
No problems, but then Redox should redirect to the disambiguation page. And shouldn't the title rather be Oxidation-reduction (lowercase "r"). --Peter Schmitt 22:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sounds right. So Redox should redirect to Redox(disambiguation) which would list Oxidation-reduction and Redox modulation as two links. D. Matt Innis 00:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Please complete Approval Mechanics for Cypherpunk/Draft

Matt, I just now certified Cypherpunk/Draft for approval. Will you please complete Approval Mechanics to replace the currently locked version. Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 20:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC), Approval Manager

Matt, thank you for completing the process. I think Pat Palmer should have been the second approving editor, not Anthony.Sebastian. I missed that on the metadata page. Not sure we need to make any change, or that we even could if we wanted. Sorry, learning curves get steeper progressively after age 70. May have to up my fish oil supplement. Anthony.Sebastian 01:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Haha, you're not the only one, Anthony! I can't keep all these rules straight :) SO, does Pat have to put her name in the template herself (like editor's used to do before)? D. Matt Innis 02:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

History of economic thought certified for approval

Matt, will you please complete the Approval Mechanics for History of economic thought, which I certified for approval today. Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 14:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Alice and Bob certified for approval

Matt, will you complete the Approval Mechanics for Alice and Bob.

Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 19:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Economics

Matt, will you complete the Approval Mechanics for Economics, please. Anthony.Sebastian 19:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Matt, shouldn't the Economics Talk page be archived/moved and a fresh ones started for the new Draft? Anthony.Sebastian 15:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
As part of Approval Mechanics, we've never archived a talk page immediately after an approval. Archiving has historically been left up to those working on the page. D. Matt Innis 23:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Passive attack certified for approval

Matt, will you complete the approval process for this excellent article. I set status to "0". Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 22:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Active attack certified for approval

Matt, also this fine article. Status needs zeroing. Thanks. Anthony.Sebastian 23:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll get to those as soon as I get a few minutes in a row. D. Matt Innis 02:05, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Cryptology certified for approval

Matt, Cryptology certified for approval. Will you complete the approval process. Sandy will be delighted to see the three computer articles approved and locked.

Thanks. And thanks for taking on this constable job. —Anthony.Sebastian 18:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Could use image help

Hi Matt! I uploaded this image today and for whatever reason the image did not upload correctly. Could you please fix it or guide me to someone who could help. See: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/File:512px-Robert_patton.jpg Thanks! Mary Ash 01:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Articles needing completion of Approval Mechanics

Matt, so far as I can tell, three articles still need completion of Approval Mechanics:

Thanks. —Anthony.Sebastian 20:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for making this easier for me Anthony. Sorry for the delay. Got an IPad for father's day and it doesn't allow me to edit easily here at Citizendium, so I had to wait till I was able to drag out the ole laptop. We also lost one of my great nieces this week, so there has been some lack of motivation. But, things should be back on track here soon. D. Matt Innis 15:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
One can never really know someone else's reality, since much of it's interior. Hard to lose a loved one.
I too acquired an iPad recently, just learning. If you find a way to edit CZ using it, please let me know.
Anyway, we've added three more excellent articles to the approved category. Thanks for making it official. —Anthony.Sebastian 02:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Millions of Users

Hi Matt. I found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Facebook and thought I'd pass it along. Coupled with some people-powered marketing via Twitter and Facebook and perhaps some paid Facebook ads keyed to display when the keyword "Wikipedia" is used on a Facebook page, it could perhaps kick some life back into this project. Obviously, people on Facebook already use their real names. Stephen Ewen 08:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

  • This is a great idea, in my humble opinion. Citizendium is a ghost town... piggybacking off Facebook's single sign on and verification process could be a brilliant way to attract more people. Having a 'Citizenium Facebook page' and some targeted ads could bring in more (much needed) Citizens Eric M Gearhart 13:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Citizen's vs. Citizens'

Matt, our logo shows: Citizens' Compendium. Otherwise, very nice. Anthony.Sebastian 02:09, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Of course! Thanks, Anthony. D. Matt Innis 02:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The latter seems to make a bit more sense, though either might do. Peter Jackson 08:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy delete

Matt could you please delete the image of Robert Patton as it did not upload correctly. I have placed a speedy tag and explanation on the image page: [[1]]. Thanks! Mary Ash 16:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)



Mary, Sorry for the delay. I'll get to it ASAP! D. Matt Innis 17:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


DoneD. Matt Innis 17:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Europe is now certified for approval

Matt, Europe now certified for approval. Will you complete the Approval Mechanics.

Thank you.Anthony.Sebastian 20:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Matt, I changed the version, and the final approval date. Anthony.Sebastian 03:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


Done. FYI, Anthony, I was able to use the iPad for everything but the last step which required pasting the entire article over the redirect. I still don't trust it (or myself) enough. D. Matt Innis 02:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Matt. Someday I will ask you the meaning of "pasting the entire article over the redirect"...

Anthony.Sebastian 04:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


The next to last step is to copy the entire draft article from the draft and paste it back into the main page. The redirect was created when the original article was moved to the draft location. Hope that makes sense! D. Matt Innis 04:25, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

just testing

Am finally able to sign in and am making an edit to make sure the wiki is working. FYI, we've been broken off and on for hours. D. Matt Innis 22:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Theodor Lohmann/Draft certified for re-approval

Matt, will you kindly complete Approval Mechanics for this article. Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 22:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Finished. Thank You! D. Matt Innis 00:15, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
And thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 02:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

please delete a false-start article

Matt, I erred in titling this article. Please delete it for me. I started a new one with the title I wanted. Thanks. Anthony.Sebastian 03:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Got it. D. Matt Innis 03:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Civil society/Draft certified

Matt, will you kindly complete the Approval Mechanics for Civil society/Draft.

Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 03:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Finished.D. Matt Innis 02:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Block cipher/Draft certified

Matt, will you kindly complete the Approval mechanics for Block cipher/Draft.

Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 04:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


Done.D. Matt Innis 02:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Re-approval of Air pollution dispersion terminology/Draft‎

The Air pollution dispersion terminology article was approved on January 26, 2009. Since that time, these minor edits have been made:

  1. I added a wiki link on Feb 3, 2009
  2. Caesar Shinas updated the coding for one of the images on June 8, 2009
  3. I updated the ADMS reference link on July 7, 2009
  4. I deleted part of a reference link on October 12, 2009
  5. I corrected a spelling error of one word on February 17, 2010
  6. I added another wiki link on September 20, 2010
  7. I corrected a wiki link on May 24, 2011
  8. I replaced 3 broken reference links with 3 live, working links.

As you can see, the above edits involved reference links, wiki links, a spelling typo and updating of an image coding. None of them changed any of the article's content. On that basis, can you just re-approve the article once you have verified the above listed edits? Please let me know. Milton Beychok 05:05, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Milt, I've asked our approvals manager, Anthony, to take a look so we can do it for you. D. Matt Innis 16:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Draft will be certfied for re-approval 26-sep-2012 if no objections. Anthony.Sebastian 22:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Matt, will you complete Approval Mechanics. Draft certified for re-approval. Thanks. Anthony.Sebastian 20:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Done. D. Matt Innis 03:13, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi Matt, I've tagged a meta page left behind when I moved a page for deletion (Template:Pantheon/Metadata). It's not urgent, but I just wanted to check that I've used the right template as there are 135 pages in the automatically generated category. Thanks, Richard Nevell 21:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Richard! You were right on the mark. That's exactly how you do it! D. Matt Innis 00:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Good to know, thanks for sorting that out. Richard Nevell 21:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Neanderthals and political cartoons

I was briefly reading through the Neanderthal and noticed this image. It was included in a section on diet, and as it's a political cartoon as removed it as it's not relevant. But now I'm wondering if it should be deleted. There's no licencing information on the file's page, and as it's not used perhaps it should be deleted to be on the safe side? Richard Nevell 22:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Richard, I deleted due tothe questionable copyright status. D. Matt Innis 17:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I noticed that in the Approved version of Ancient Celtic music there's a problem with one of the references. It's after the third sentence of the second paragraph at the top of the article. After "By the time of Augustus, musical education must have widely gained ground in Gaul, otherwise Iulius Sacrovir couldn't have used the erudite Gauls as a decoy, after Sacrovir and Iulius Florus had occupied the city of Augustodonum during the Gallic insurrection in 21 AD." Looking at the source, I think some noinclude tags are causing the problem. There are several of them, but only one seems to be causing this problem (I'm not sure what the rest are doing). Richard Nevell 22:43, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Re Pompeii and Steam generator

Matt, I certified Pompeii for Approval. Will you kindly complete the Approval Process Mechanisms. Thank you. Anthony.Sebastian 14:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Matt, have you had a chance to complete the Approval Process for Pompeii? Anthony.Sebastian 04:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, Steam generator. Anthony.Sebastian 03:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for the Management Council

You have been nominated for a seat on the Management Council in the July-August Special Election. The nominator was myself. To accept or decline this nomination, please visit the Nominations page by midnight UTC on July 27th. You may write an election statement for each if you wish (linked from the Nominations page).

The Management Council seat expires on either June 30th, 2014, or June 30th, 2015 (the successful candidate with fewest voting receiving the shorter term). In the event that Referendum 1 is passed, all seats will expire on June 30th, 2014. Thanks! John Stephenson 17:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Delete account

Hello Matt,

I would like my citizendium account to be deleted, and that my name does not appear anymore on Citizendium.

I've tried to figure out how to do that myself but I've failed.

Best Regards,

Sylvain

I have reduced Sylvain's user page to the briefest of details and deleted the edit history. John Stephenson 22:11, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks Quiet

Hi Matt. I was just checking in to see how things were going, looking at recent changes and such. I've done this from time-to-time over the past two years plus. It seems like the project has been stuck in sort of a rut for a long time. :-(

I have ideas to breath new life in to the project and would consider donating some time to put feet to them. Email me if you think the ideas might be worth considering: stephen.ewen AT gmail.com

Stephen Ewen 07:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for insight from Author Representative

Hi Matt. I would appreciate your insight and/or feedback regarding a concern I have recently expressed to Constabulary. I value your opinion. Christine Bush 01:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, Christine, I'll be glad to take a look. D. Matt Innis 01:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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