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Bot request - jogging Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls

Daniel, please could you see my post on the forums at this link. My experience in programming Bots is precisely zero, so I could use the opinion (and perhaps programming skills if you have the time) of someone with an interest in this area. --Chris Key 17:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I think

python add_text.py -cat:Pages_with_too_many_expensive_parser_function_calls -text:" " -summary:"Test edit:Category jog for [[:Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls]]."

will add a space at the end of each page in that category and should do the trick.

Can't test this right now, as I am traveling, but getting the permission to run this script will take time anyway — can you arrange for that? Will try to do the test edits when I get a stable internet connection, but this won't be before tomorrow night. --Daniel Mietchen 19:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Daniel. I'll do what I can to get approval (pending successful test edits) by the time you have a stable connection. Safe travels. --Chris Key 19:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

We have permission from Dan Nessett to perform test edits on the test wiki only (not the live wiki). Once these are done we need to get further permission from Matt Innis. We must ensure that the bot only does a null edit, and then as long as me, you and Dan are satisfied I believe that Matt will give approval as he has already looked at the discussion (see his comments). --Chris Key 21:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I have made a Bot request. Please ensure that the summary of the bot reads is Category jog for [[:Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls|Pages with too many expensive parser function calls]]. [[CZ:Bot status/ExpensiveParserJog/Feedback|Give feedback.]] --Chris Key 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

OK. --Daniel Mietchen 17:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

About our new Psychology Editor

Hi, Daniel:

John Calvin Moore joined us as a Psychology Editor yesterday and has already dipped his toes into the water by editing the Abnormal psychology article. As the only other active Psychology Editor that I am aware of, would you be so kind as to introduce yourself to him and perhaps assist him in learning the ropes about clusters, subpages and so forth? Regards, Milton Beychok 22:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Daniel Mietchen 22:48, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello Daniel, interesting stuff you have here on Schizophrenia. I know you are familiar with Harry Stack Sullivan. He made the distinction between Dementia Praecox (organic brain disease) and Schizophrenia, by stating that Schizophrenia was a product of maladaptive living or circunstances in the individuals life that causes the person to become Schizophrenic. I'll be using that concept within the Whitman article with the tumor. As to your suggestions about classrooms and students, I am not involved in anyway with that scenario, but if there is a project of mentoring or helping in some other way, please inform me and we'll work something out. Thanks for your attention! BTW, has your research correlated anything with GABA and Schizophrenia? John Calvin Moore 02:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi John, my research is focused on developing early diagnostic tests for schizophrenia (and other psychiatric disorders, like Alzheimer's) by way of brain morphometry. I have no clinical experience with schizophrenia, but am fairly well acquainted with its literature, so that if you are interested in collaborating on some articles, schizophrenia could be a good start (incl. Sullivan, albeit he is not very prominent on this side of the pond). I haven't touched GABA for more than a decade, and never really was into it. As for coursework, we'll see. --Daniel Mietchen 19:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

stray article parts

Daniel, thanks for marking those "Article 1" article orphans for deletion. I wasn't very successful using the Eduzendium templates, so I've just started creating the articles the standard way and then adding the Eduzendium line to them, and that seems to be working. Hopefully, I won't create any more of these.Pat Palmer 16:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Eduzendium header

Hi Daniel, I followed your advice and finally understood the process for creating new Eduzendium articles. It works, thank you! Now a question. Here's the header that goes onto each course page (for my course): CZ:Special_Topics_2010/EZnotice . It is awfully long; is there any way that the text (especially that stuff near the bottom) could be shortened so that it occupies less real estate on the page? I'm finding it a bit instrusive. Could all this stuff:

This article is currently being developed as part of an Eduzendium student 
project in the framework of a course entitled Special Topics at University 
of Pennsylvania. The course homepage can be found at CZ:Special_Topics_2010. 

One of the goals of the course is to provide students with insider experience 
in collaborative educational projects, and so you are warmly invited to join 
in here, or to leave comments on the discussion page. 

The anticipated date of course completion is 13 August 2010. One month after 
that date, this notice shall be removed.

Besides, many other Citizendium articles welcome your collaboration!

just be changed to this:

This article is currently being developed as part of an Eduzendium student 
project. The course homepage can be found at CZ:Special_Topics_2010

To provide students with experience in collaboration, you are warmly invited to 
join in here, or to leave comments on the discussion page. 

The anticipated date of course completion is 13 August 2010. One month after 
that date, this notice shall be removed.

It's OK if not but I thought I would ask.Pat Palmer 10:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Daniel Mietchen 18:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Food and Drug Administration > Catalogs > Therapeutic Equivalence Code

Pretty cool what you did to Food and Drug Administration > Catalogs > Therapeutic Equivalence Code. Do you have any suggestions on a better way to handle Preoperative care > Beta-blocker evidence table so that it shows on the subpages? - Robert Badgett 03:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. Used the same hammer ;-) --Daniel Mietchen 07:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Truth In Numbers

Thanks for your welcome! Have we met before?

I hope I can write some articles on Indonesian languages and literature here. I want to see whether this project is really different than Wikipedia. One of the few things that annoys me on English Wikipedia is the fact that it is based on consensus of general knowledge, not on the opinion of the experts. I have to admit that most of the time it is not relevant and it does not get into my way. However in couple of instances it quite annoying. Something which is said by a great number of people doesn't make it true. I was once involved in a silly discussion about the language of the motto on the coat of arms of Indonesia. It is actually in Old Javanese but someone, an American who taught English in Java thought it was in Sanskrit. Why? Because his sources, who were Indonesian laymen told him it was Sanskrit ...

However I will still edit Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects, especially in other languages.

The Truth In Numbers will be available in October. You will be able to download the film or to buy the DVD also by then. I am not quite sure whether it is avaible by now as streaming video. The finished movie is a bit different than the trailer, which is a bit of a pity, as it is not only edited by Nick Hill but also Scott Glossermann.

I just took a peek on Koguma Main Bola. I have to say it is difficult for beginners! It uses complicated grammatical forms which can be avoided, but later on that :-)

As for the charter draft, I think it is okay. One of the things that I like is that original research is allowed.

Actually I have always wanted to take a look and join Citizendium but it never materialized. Too bad other alternatives to Wikipedia such as Conservapedia generates more traffic than Citizendium.

Cheers. Revo Arka Giri Soekatno 06:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Revi. We haven't met before but I am active on several platforms for young scientists (the German equivalent of PNN as well as Eurodoc and ways.org), and in the framework of the latter I once made plans to get scientists in the developing world to contribute to the Wikipedias in their local languages. My initial focus then was on Central Asian languages, but I also had a look at the Swahili and Bahasa indonesia editions, from where I knew your name. However, this turned out to be even more difficult than getting them to contribute to the larger Wikipedias. Not sure yet whether opening Citizendium up to original research will help with that. --Daniel Mietchen 07:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help copying over the charter comments. That was getting a little repetitive. --Chris Key 15:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your list of topics related to popular music and to topics from my bio. The current definition of popular music seems to me unhelpful, but my own perspective is a materialist one that probably won't satisfy a lot of scholars who prefer aesthetics sanitized from economics. I'll have a draft up in a bit, but with school starting, this is not an ideal time for in-depth work.

--Joseph Byrd 15:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

If time is scarce (and it usually is), then I like to work on definitions and Related Articles, so as to weave a web of context, on the basis of which the articles can be grown. Let me know if problems arise. --Daniel Mietchen 15:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for catching my move gaffe on my User page and correcting it. Russell D. Jones 16:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Theory of multiple intelligences

This is well outside of my area of expertise, but you are listed as a psychology Editor so perhaps you'd be able to help. A new author is a little unsure as to what to do next, could you perhaps give him some guidance? Talk:Theory of multiple intelligences. Thanks. --Chris Key 05:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Daniel Mietchen 14:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the suggestions! I anticipate they will be very helpful as I'm beginning to navigate this site, and I hope to help get some of those sites up to approved. Thank you, and I'm looking forward to much fruitful collaboration! Rachael Cantrell 13:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete

Hello Daniel Mietchen. I'm new here. Could you please help me? I want to delete a userpage, what should I do? Is there a template? Thank you, Ed Jussen 21:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You cannot delete pages, but we have the {{speedydelete}} template to request Constables to delete pages. They will not normally delete userpages, but will do subpages thereof on such requests. If you tell me what page you are after, I can put the template in there, so that you can see how to do this. --Daniel Mietchen 21:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I think that what you probably want is to delete your User:Ed Jussen/Lifecycle page now that you have uploaded that new article into the namespace. I would suggest that next time you create a personal User:Ed Jussen/Sandbox . That sandbox subpage can be used over and over again many times. All you have to do then is to simply delete (erase) the content of that page whenever you have finished a project and are ready to start another one. If you wish, I could create that sandbox for you ... just let me know. Milton Beychok 22:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I placed the template. Thank you for your help. Ed Jussen 06:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Eduzendium

Hi Dan, I've just been trying unsuccessfully to help Nancy after your comments. We're trying simply to set up a new course for this year on the same lines as last year; some of the articles we proposed last year were not used so we'd like to reinstate those as fresh options this year. I'm afraid I've stumbled over the mechanics, and don't know what's happened to the Eduzendium notice. Any help much appreciated! Thanks, Gareth Leng 15:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll set things up then. Probably tomorrow. --Daniel Mietchen 15:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, thanks for your help!! Nancy Sabatier 15:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, I'll have a go at the articles. Could you help me setting up the Eduzendium notice about unapproved articles? should it be on each article or on the course homepage only? Thanks again for your help. Nancy Sabatier 09:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I made quite a mess with this first article, hopefully the next ones will be better! Nancy Sabatier 12:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

New Physics Editor User:David William Tolfree

Daniel, I am sure you will be interested in getting acquainted with our new Physics editor. Milton Beychok 20:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Dyscalculia edits

Thanks for the dyscalculia edits. I hope more people will add to the article. This is a little known learning disability that could use some face time. Thanks again!Mary Ash 20:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

This is the first of your articles that hit an area of interest to me, so there may well be further interaction on the topic. --Daniel Mietchen 00:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Chipping at psychology

Partially in response to John E. Mack, I started transpersonal psychology.

Discovering that psychotherapy is an import, I split out psychoanalysis and humanistic psychology, with the WP commented out; I think I can completely rewrite at the level here and give us a fresh start. Unfortunately, my mother's library -- she was a psychiatric social worker -- is packed away.

Oh well. I can always do a Topic Informant article on the nuances of the ceiling cracks over my analyst's couch. Howard C. Berkowitz 01:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Don't have any plans for these at the moment unless there is a fire to extinguish somewhere. --Daniel Mietchen 01:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

OK. Just wanted a Psychology Editor to know what I was doing, hopefully in a noncontroversial way. Apropos of fires, though, should I work on pyromania? Howard C. Berkowitz 01:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

What about starting with fire, candle, fire extinguisher, fire brigade for background? --Daniel Mietchen 01:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

You may be getting more than you expected with fire extinguisher. There is some material in 9-11 attack in New York about how not to do command and control for a high rise fire.

Lost my picture

Hello Daniel Mietchen. This picture Image:Lifetree.jpg miraculously disappeared. I really uploaded it[1] but it left me. Only the thumb stayed. Can you maybe see what's wrong? Thank you in advance. I did not keep the original ... Ed Jussen 21:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ed, and thanks for the note. We have had some problems with image files recently, and so far, all of them could be solved. I have notified the tech people of this case. --Daniel Mietchen 22:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I uploaded this illustration again and from now I'll save them all on my computer> Ed Jussen 08:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, this seems to be the best way to do it. --Daniel Mietchen 08:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I would appreciate your comments

Daniel, I have just written a new article and the title will be Smog when I upload it into the article namespace. It is currently in my sandbox at User:Milton Beychok/Sandbox.

I know that you are probably not an expert on the subject. However, I would very much appreciate your review of it and giving me any comments, additions, deletions, typo corrections, or revisions you care to offer on my sandbox talk page. I am fairly sure that there must be some parts which could be better written from the viewpoint of clarity and understanding.

Thanks in advance, Milton Beychok 02:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Milt, wrong timing, but I will try after coming back from this conference. --Daniel Mietchen 16:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Creating subpages

Hello Daniel, I have begun to write articles but don't know how to create a "subpage" .The instructions for this are unclear to me. So could you help me with that please? The first article which will need a subpage is Diglossia. Thanks! Stefan Olejniczak 11:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Stefan! Thanks for dropping by. I just set the subpages up via these edits. In doing so, I made one mistake that I also corrected in the process. Please take a look and let me know if something is not clear. --Daniel Mietchen 13:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello Daniel. It looks OK, thanks. And could you do the same now for Monophthong please? Stefan Olejniczak 13:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you give it a try? Just start by clicking the "[show]" link and do whatever you think is appropriate. I will go after you and correct things if necessary. --Daniel Mietchen 13:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I clicked on " ...the "metadata template" and tried to fill in as it is told in the instructions, but it did not seem to work. So I think I will need more help with this. Stefan Olejniczak 14:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You can use this link: Special:MetadataForm which gives you a form to fill in. (But following the Metadata link, filling in, saving it, creating talk page (with "subpages") and then using the links on the subpages template should also work.) --Peter Schmitt 14:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Peter, thanks a lot! This should help. Stefan Olejniczak 14:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It is important to note that for best results you should use Special:MetadataForm before creating the article. --Chris Key 15:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

What has happened to our Welcome page?

The Welcome page has a big white space in the left column (of the two column set-up) and the New Draft of the Week in the right column goes on and on and on ... way beyond what is ever has done before this.

Is someone playing around with it? Looking at the History doesn't seem to explain what happened. Milton Beychok 09:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

The reason: Editing the article changed the "NDotW"-markup. I added markup. To me, this proves that the page should not be transcluded. Instead an edited excerpt should be used. --Peter Schmitt 12:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

To me, this prove is not convincing — the transclusion has been in use for over a year and rarely caused problems of this kind. But perhaps we should use a template on the featured article or draft that indicates their being featured, and asks for special caution with the markup. In any case, we have a new featured draft now. --Daniel Mietchen 12:39, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Does the new Volatility (chemistry) article relate to Biology or Physics?

Daniel, does the new article Volatility (chemistry) relate meaningfully to physics or biology? If you think so, I will add either Physics or Biology as categories in the Metadata template so that it can be considered for nomination by you or another physics or biology editor. My reason is that there are no active engineering or chemistry editors other than myself and I am not eligible to nominate it.

I sure wish we could coax Paul Wormer into returning. Milton Beychok 05:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Volatility is very relevant to things like pheromone signalling, so I added in Biology. Yes, getting Paul back in is a goal of mine too. But I guess we will have to do some clean-up first in how we handle expertise, especially in certain areas. --Daniel Mietchen 09:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

As a follow-up about Volatility (chemistry) , would you now please consider nominating it for approval? Please let me know. Milton Beychok 16:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I will take a closer look somewhen these days. --Daniel Mietchen 16:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I will wait to hear from you whenever. Milton Beychok 17:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Other kinds of volatility

In computers, volatile memory loses its contents when power is applied; the contents of nonvolatile memory are persistent.

Perhaps chemistry or perhaps military, the terms nonpersistent and persistent, when applied to chemical weapons, really mean more volatile (e.g., phosgene, sarin) or less volatile (e.g., mustards, VX). Howard C. Berkowitz 20:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Howard, I know about volatile memory in computers as well as volatile stocks, markets, etc. in the world of finance. Then there is volatile as a description of human behavior.

That's why I named this article Volatility (chemistry) so as to disambiguate it from the many other meanings of the word "volatile". I really think that volatility as a measure of persistence for poison gases is a military term rather than a chemistryl one. Milton Beychok 20:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Added to disambiguation page. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

More about Volatility (chemistry)

Daniel, as you suggested, I added a new section to the article that discusses ionic liquids and the ongoing research into how odors are used as social behavior signals by insects as well as by mammals. Milton Beychok 14:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Milt. I am still on the road but will get to it as soon as I can. It would be best for me to rework those passages directly, and I would prefer 3-editor approval here anyway. --Daniel Mietchen 20:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

What help is needed? Mind you, if one considers the perfumes worn by some people, sociology is probably in order to explain why they are not killed. Howard C. Berkowitz 20:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I plan to rework the biological section and add a few words on intramolecular prerequisites for volatility. This would require a third editor for approval. I think we should stick to the chemistry here, not branch out. --Daniel Mietchen 20:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Daniel ... just a gentle reminder now that you are back. Milton Beychok 17:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I hope to get to it over the weekend. --Daniel Mietchen 17:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Daniel, just a gentle reminder about your "plan to rework the biological section and add a few words on intramolecular prerequisites for volatility" ... the article is still waiting. Thanks, Milton Beychok 23:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually went through two papers on the matter that weekend, but took my notes on paper and haven't found the time & mood to put them in here. I also thought about structuring some related articles (e.g. pheromone or olfactometre), and I was looking for images on the matter. So I am confident it will happen, but can't tell you when. --Daniel Mietchen 00:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see my roast turkey page comments

The question was not to spell out the word centigrade but whether to spell out the word degrees, which I did, or to use the degree symbol. Your edits returned the article so that it is now written both ways.Mary Ash 20:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that!

I hate when people get my name wrong. I'll make sure that no-one spelled your's wrong before running the software. D. Matt Innis 12:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

As long as it's a wiki page I can edit, I don't mind. Please also check for this typo and the erroneous listing I reported by email. --Daniel Mietchen 13:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Got it (and did catch one). D. Matt Innis 14:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding lemma article, Thylakoid

Daniel, regarding your recently created lemma article, Thylakoid: I had already created an article entitled, Thylakoids. Probably should have named it in the singular. Redirect from the lemma doesn't seem to work.

Can I delete the lemma and move Thylakoids to Thylakoid? Please advise. Anthony.Sebastian 00:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I fixed it. Thylakoid now redirects to already existing Thylakoids. Probably should reverse order. Anthony.Sebastian 02:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I asked the constabulary to reverse the redirect. --Daniel Mietchen 07:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what "reverse the redirect" means, as no article with the singular exists, so I supplemented your request, for clarity, I hope: here. Anthony.Sebastian 01:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

User page decision

Well done, Daniel, keep it up. Aleta Curry 21:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

And I concur!Mary Ash 22:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen 22:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Approval?

Hi Daniel, can you take a look at Interspike interval histogram with a view to approval, if you feel competent? it's a short article but says as much as I think needs saying. I wrote it so can't act.Gareth Leng 13:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Upon first sight, I would think much of this would have to go to Interspike interval first. Will definitely chime in by the end of the week. --Daniel Mietchen 15:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I commented at Talk:Interspike interval histogram. --Daniel Mietchen 23:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

We have started our campaign for donations and we already have $372

Daniel, I just wanted to let you know that we started our drive for donations a few hours ago and we already have $372. Regards, Milton Beychok 05:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Too late to be news - I already tested the button. --Daniel Mietchen 05:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Daniel, it looks like you added the donate button (which I presume is the one that Chris created) and it sure is simpler than my manual instruction. Thanks very much!! The whole CZ: Donate article looks very professional now. Milton Beychok 07:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Daniel, do you think it might be helpful to add a sentence to CZ:Donate explaining that donors do not need to log into citizendium@hotmail.com nor do they need to register to create their own PayPal account. The Donate button may possibly confuse some donors and they may believe that they must create their own PayPal account. What do you think? Milton Beychok 08:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. Can you start a stub on PayPal? I don't know them very well. --Daniel Mietchen 08:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Will do, but it may be quite some while. Much too busy with MC and donation drive at the moment. Milton Beychok 01:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

War criminals and crimes

The term war criminals and war crimes are accurate and factual. The Nazi war criminals were convicted for their war crimes by a war tribunal. All this is based on fact and documented. I'm not sure what the problem is when it comes to using these historically accurate terms. You can not re-write history to sanitize it. I hope I understood the problem correctly between the interested parties. Finally, page blanking is a no-no at some wikis. I don't know about here, but I would not do it myself. MHO Mary Ash 16:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

It's a bit more nuanced in this case, as Hitler and Mengele, for example, never appeared before a court. Nevertheless, there is historical reason to use the term, in these specific cases, and at this specific time. This is some of the material I would have placed on the blanked and locked page.

Martin is correct that something such as "alleged criminal" might be used today, but this is presentism as applied to historiography. Direct quotes should never be redacted for reasons of political correctness, and I've been attempting to explain the usage of Mengele's time. I note, for example, that the four-power proceedings at Nuremberg was titled "trial of the major war criminals". That trial also criminalized membership in the SS, and there is little question Mengele was an SS officer. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Mary, I do not see why you posted this comment here on my talk page instead of any of the places concerned with the debate. Since you used "you" here without any further qualifiers, I assumed that you were addressing me and that what could otherwise (e.g. on one of the article talk pages) be rather neutral comments were in fact severe accusations. I have neither denied war crimes nor tried to re-write history, nor blanked a page, nor edited either of the disputed pages myself. What I did do is react to a request for clarification of the usage of these terms and rule that the blanked page be replaced by some meaningful text. In light of David Finn's comments below, I am willing to consider this a simple misunderstanding. I apologize for my part in it, and I have revised my original comment accordingly. --Daniel Mietchen 09:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Please be more careful with the terms you throw around, Daniel.

Mary said:

Finally, page blanking is a no-no at some wikis. I don't know about here, but I would not do it myself.

She did not say that you blanked the page. She did not say that anyone blanked the page. She simply said that the page was blanked, which is a fact. How you interpreted that as an accusation that you blanked the page is not quite clear, but, to use your words, it seems that you did not understand the problem correctly when you replied that she was accusing you.

I would also note that Mary is using you in her initial comment to refer to the plural, although I realize this may have been too nuanced a use of English for some.

Nonetheless, your counter of having been falsely accused was ill-thought out. Please revise. David Finn 08:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, David, for reading so attentively and for being frank. I have revised my comment. --Daniel Mietchen 09:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I am going to take a break now, and I apologise that this and my other posts have been slightly abrasive. I really want there to be a good environment that promotes editing so that I can do some, but I found out today that someone who I would consider to be a great influence on my Citizendium contributions is being debated on in a negative way and it rather upset me. Howard is our most prolific contributor and has always been willing to compromise and collaborate in my dealings with him. I have also noted his ongoing relationship with Mary Ash which, although initially rocky, did serve both them and Citizendium well. I appreciate you taking the time to re-read your words, and also notifying Mary of that. Cheers. David Finn 09:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Eduzendium article metadata pages

Thank you for your message on my User_talk page and for the new BEE 4640 home page on CZ. The metadata template task has me thoroughly confused. I followed the directions blindly and ended up with the following error message: < CZ:Cornell University 2010 BEE 4640 Bioseparation Processes

The ((subpages)) template is designed to be used within article clusters and their related pages. It will not function on CZ pages. Retrieved from "http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Cornell_University_2010_BEE_4640_Bioseparation_Processes/Metadata_template" Category: Misplaced subpage"

I have begun creating new articles as needed using the "create new article with subpages" worksheet, though they lack the template structure set up earlier in the process. CZ:Cornell_University_2010_BEE_4640_Bioseparation_Processes/Template_article

Three students want to write about aspects of chromatography, expanding the existing stub article to include material on a) chromatographic methods (e.g. gas chromatography, HPLC, paper chromatography), b) adsorbent types (e.g. ion exchange, reverse phase, size exclusion) and c) chromatography theory (e.g. adsorption isotherms and column dynamics). Do you recommend that they work directly on the existing draft, or create new articles within the Eduzendium category, which the Editors can later merge as they see fit?

If you are too busy with the hosting/management issue to assist at the moment, please feel free to refer me to another editor. Thank you. Jean B. Hunter 03:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jean, thanks for the feedback on the Eduzendium templates - there is certainly room for improvements, and they have not been integrated with Special:MetadataForm, since the latter does not yet allow customized preloading of content. The way things are supposed to work is the following:

1. Go to the course homepage and add the titles of new articles, as shown here, using dielectrophoresis as an example.
2. Follow the instructions displayed for Dielectrophoresis: Open this page in a separate tab or window to help you guide through the process, then go back to the window with the course homepage and click the button for Dielectrophoresis and try to follow the guide (reloading the course homepage after each "save" step is required). If there is anything not clear, please drop me another note - we really want these templates to be useful and will get rid of them if they are not. I have fixed the formatting for electrophoresis.

The error message you get about subpages is normal, since Eduzendium articles (and the course-specific templates) are in the CZ: namespace, for which the {{subpages}} template system was not designed. The articles to be created for the course, however, will all be in the main namespace, where the subpages template will function properly and set up the headers with links to the subpages.

As for chromatography, merging is complicated and very few people on the wiki have the technical permission to do that. So I would suggest that the students either jump right into the existing article, preferably after having familiarized themselves with basic formatting.

--Daniel Mietchen 09:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

New Biology Editor

We have a new Biology editor named Dorian Q. Fuller. Perhaps you may wish to put a welcome message on his Talk page. Milton Beychok 16:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)