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I aim to restrict my replies to this talk page....

My hope is to preserve the context of each discussion rather than having them fragmented on mutliple talk pages. So please check back here for replies to messages you leave, thanks. Please sign comments with four tildes ~~~~ This makes it a lot easier to follow the ebb and flow of a discussion with multiple users. Indents are also useful to help track the sequence of replies and can be achieved using colons such as : or ::. Chris Day (Talk) 23:32, 13 November 2006 (CST)

For the benefit of newcomers, I mention that this can easily done by putting the page on one's watchlist, or setting the preferences to do so automatically.DavidGoodman

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Naming policy white paper

Hi Chris, Earlier, when I was having technical problems editing CZ pages, I left you a private message on the forum. Just wondering if you had seen it. --Jaap Winius 15:33, 2 April 2007 (CDT)

Got this Jaap, will reply soon. Chris Day (Talk) 13:57, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Macromolecular Chemistry

Chris, this article really needed a Chemistry editor that was not involved in writing for approval. At this point, we have a second Chemistry editor-who is also involved in writing. So approval is going to take a third. Let's all work together, maybe we can recruit more Chemistry editors for the workgroup. Nancy Sculerati 11:04, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Chemisty

Chris, after I approved, we later determined that both macromolecular chemistry and physical chemistry (and there is one more) needed two more chemistry editors to be approved (Nancy and Gareth didn't count), so we had to back track until others come along. Steve actually did the reversion. I'll see what happened to the talk pages and see what I can do to restore them. --Matt Innis (Talk) 13:44, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

OK, that makes sense, in that case we need to restore the talk page histories and delete the draft articles. It certainly confused me and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Chris Day (Talk) 13:51, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
Also, Nancy's message above now makes more sense. Chris Day (Talk) 13:52, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
See me on Steve's page --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:12, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Looks good, huh:)

I like it to :) Thanks to you! --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:29, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Too lonely, I need HELP !!!!

Lonely, I need HELP !!! Economics is a vast topic, it is "too much sand for my little truck..." J. R. Campos 08:30, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

That's exactly what I was thinking! Unfortunately, however, I am next to useless on the topic. Hopefully more people will migrate from wikipedia once they see there is a chance to do some real work here. Assuming there are good people in wikipedia? Certainly for the sciences there are some very good contributors. Chris Day (Talk) 09:11, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

Hey Chris

Anyway to make an Article for Deletion tag can show up on the Workgroup Box for the workgroup responsible for that article. Maybe along with the checklisted articles (or something better). That way, when someone places it in the category articles for deletion, the editors can take a look and see if it should be deleted. What do you think? --Matt Innis (Talk) 22:39, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Hey Matt, which of these template categories Category:Speedy_Deletion_Requests or Category:Articles_for_deletion are you thinking of? Not sure if it is possible but will think about it. Chris Day (Talk) 23:17, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
Category:Articles_for deletion. You can doit, I no u can:) --Matt Innis (Talk) 15:36, 6 April 2007 (CDT)

Thanks

Thanks for letting me know. I'll keep my opinion of it to myself... --Peter J. King  Talk  11:57, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

Thanks Peter! --Mike Johnson 14:01, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

I will keep an eye on this person Chris, as soon as my maintenance is done I will check his application and see what the status is. Robert Tito |  Talk  19:36, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for looking into it. Chris Day (Talk) 19:43, 7 April 2007 (CDT) no prob at all, the account has not be made yet, but without applic I cant procedd and on this disk I run from I dont have the correct software running, within 4 hours the account is done - if all is in order that is. Robert Tito |  Talk 

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the answer please and comment. Rob

Finally an author.

Regarding your comment on my talk page: Yeah, I know I may have seemed a bit impatient while waiting. Mostly it was a certain sense of insecurity. Some part of me figured, as I've mentioned before, that with my utter lack of credentials and notable works, I might not be "up to snuff" for Citizendium. Now that I'm in, well, I'm hoping to kick back and write a few articles in the next little while. I look forward to working with you in future, soon as I write a biography that's up to standard, anyway.

Yes, I find it confusing

Re your comment at Template talk:checklist: yes, I find it confusing how you've redirected your user page to your talk page. I was under the impression that each user was required to put their biography on their user page; maybe I'm wrong about that. In any case, I tried a number of times to find your biography and didn't find it. One thing that adds to the confusion is that your last name is sometimes spelled with a capital letter, sometimes lowercase. So of course I assumed I'd typed the wrong one and tried the other one. After a number of tries I gave up. I didn't find your publications list. I wasn't looking for a publications list; I was looking for a user page and/or a biography. I suppose your publications list serves as your biography. If it were posted on your user page, that would be obvious. If the link from your talk page were labelled "my biography" it would be obvious to users who noticed that link. Your explanation that you find it easier to maintain one page rather than two doesn't hold water, since your publications list is on a separate page anyway: why not make that your user page? I think it's less confusing if everybody follows the same format. Especially since you're an editor, readers will be wanting to see your biography (or user page or publications list) to see who is giving authority to various articles, so it's better to have that information easily available in a standard place, in my opinion. Also probably better not to direct readers to your talk page, which will contain all sorts of stuff that doesn't really need to be read by people who are just looking up information in the articles and not participating in writing them. Anyway, that's my opinion. --Catherine Woodgold 10:32, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

I'd have to say I agree.. the "norm" is a Bio page at User:, and the talk page is strictly for discussions I'd think. Wasn't this one of the things you agreed to when you joined, that you would create a bio? --Eric M Gearhart 11:50, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
Hi Eric and Catherine, not sure if your still following this but user name and bio are now be in a more user friendly format. Chris Day (talk) 13:32, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
The only thing I'd ae to say about that is that you might want to put something at the top of the list, to the effect of "These are books I co-wrote" or something like that. I found myself reading through the list to find "Day, CD" trying to figure out what this was a list of :) Eric M Gearhart

Check it

Chris, check your user page and talk page and make sure they work the way they aresupposed to. The redirects from user to user talk may be confusing, so make sure that's the way you want them. --Matt Innis (Talk) 12:52, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Matt this looks good. So I still log in as Chris day? One thing I was hoping was to actually have a new User I.D. so that my edits will show up in the histories as Chris Day too. Or is that not possible? I'd be fine just starting a new account too. Which ever is easier. Thanks for the help. Chris Day (Talk) 13:01, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Okay, Chris, check you email for the password to your new user page and let me know if it works right. --Matt Innis (Talk) 17:23, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

After I'm sure you can get in under Chris Day, I'll block the Chris day account. Then we should be set. --Matt Innis (Talk) 17:49, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Sounds great. Will I get an e-mail with intructions for creating passwords etc.? I'm sorry for wasting your time on this Matt. Chris Day (Talk) 19:36, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Hey, no problem Chris, after all you do for me!!!! You can change your password under preferences at the top. Did you get the email with the new password? --Matt Innis (Talk) 08:41, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Excellent, I'm in. Can you hold off blocking the old account so I can transfer my watchlist etc. I'll let you know when I'm done. Thanks. Chris Day (talk) 09:36, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

You bet, just leave me a note on my talk. Have Fun!!! --Matt Innis (Talk) 11:10, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I'll put a block on User:Chris day but will leave the redirects in place so all your previous edits on other talk pages won't show red and will redirect here. One day, we can delete the pages when you feel it won't affect anything too much. Let me know if anything goes wrong when I block:) --Matt Innis (Talk) 12:30, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I moved you archives and delted the original. I also blocked your username, but think it blocked your IP address, too, so I unblocked until I find out for sure. If anything goes wrong and you cannot get in, email me at dminnis@gmail.com! --Matt Innis (Talk) 12:53, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

self-organization in life

chris, david tribe and i tried to straighten out the first sections of Life this morning, there were edit conflicts and restorations and ensuing confusion, last night between me , Rob, and Anthony- all of us trying to work more or less at the same time. Anthony did major restoration last night, late, and then David, and finally me and David then me. David will (tonight) make sure that the chemists' corrections all got incorporated, and I think that things are reasonably readable and accurate now, but in going through the article, I come to real trouble in self -organization -having to do with genomes and computers. It's not something I understand well enough to do a good job on,however, I do think you could. Currently I think it's wrong. Could you look at the talk page please? Nancy Sculerati 13:50, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Call Button

Hey Chris, is there any way to put a button on the workgroup box that would allow us to send the same email to all the editors? Basically, if somebody wants to find an editor to approve an article, he could click the button and write all of them a note at the same time... you know what I mean? --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:11, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Probably, but I don't have access to mediawiki code. You need to ask the developers (plus I am in no way familiar with programming. Everything I do is just muddling along).
With regard to your previous question track changes for deletion template. I'm not sure i understand what you want? It sounds like you want the page names to automatically appear in the workgroup template, in the same way they automatically appear in the category page. Is this right? If so I'm not sure I know a way around this? It would be quite easy to establish a new 'workgroup articles deletion category' such that you could see which articles were being considered for deletion, but this would require you to click a link, as for the recent changes. Keep coming with these ideas. We should create a todo list on the workgroups talk page. We may not have the technical skills available now but it may be easier in the future. Chris Day (talk) 14:21, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
You are the programmer!:) Yes, you haev the deletion thing right. Basically to make everything go back and focus on the workgroup editors. Maybe something like the speedydelete only it asks for the workgroup and then it will put it on the workgroup home page?(Somewhere - anywhere that we can get their attention) That way, as an editor, all I have to do is monitor my workgroup and I will know if someone is trying to delete one of my articles (or if they need my input). Then if we had a call button, that would be even more fun:) Where can we put these ideas? --Matt Innis (Talk) 15:03, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Would you liek a CZ cape to go with your bat phone? But more to the point, there is no way i can do that with my remedial efforts, sorry. I'll set up a to do/idea list on the talk page. Maybe someone else will find interest/time to persue it. Chris Day (talk) 16:16, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Hey, that's a start, thanks, Robin. --Matt Innis (Talk) 16:32, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

biology workgroup recent changes for drafts/approved

I edited Life/draft and didn't see it show up in the approve/draft recent change list for biology. Any ideas? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 21:55, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Almost certainly does not have the draft category appended to it. Chris Day (talk) 22:09, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Is there policy for draft categories and has this been considered in the "one-touch" proposed approval process? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 22:12, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
I don't get the question exactly--? --Larry Sanger 22:29, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
One can track recent changes in all biology articles by using "related changes" on the category page Category:Biology Workgroup articles, however, this only tracks the main page of any article. This is fine for all the unapproved articles but the approved articles rarely changes except after a new approval. Consequently it becomes necessary to track changes to the draft article since that is where all the action occurs. To do this we need the draft articles to have their own category (Category:Biology_Workgroup_Draft). Related changes on that page will allow a window onto the edits to the draft versions o approved article. Therefore, the approval process should include instructions for commenting out the categories on the draft page AND adding the [[:Category:{{{Group}}}_Workgroup_Draft]] category. Chris Day (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Chris, I added that to the instructions for article approval. --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:33, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
Excellent Matt, thanks. I have just added some info on the usage of the less often used Approval template fields of group2 and abc.
Do you have any opinion on keeping the approval edits seperate from the talk edits. If you look at Talk:Biology/Draft you will see that the approval notes are on a transcluded page. I think this may be useful since all the approval edits are seperated from the talk page edits and readily reviewed using the history. If they are mixed in with the talk page edits they will be harder to review if it becomes necessary at a later date. If you like this plan we should have a discussion and add it to the approval process. In fact, there is no reason why this cannot be a standard feature on all talk pages even before they become approved. I would welcome your input here. Chris Day (talk) 15:32, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
Yes, definitely an improvement. We need to do the same thing for Dog and maybe include the conversation concerning the mechanics. This is a good idea. How hard is it and can we write it up? --Matt Innis (Talk) 19:13, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
Also, is there a reason we aren't using that neat Article Checklist template on all articles? --Matt Innis (Talk) 19:17, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
One more thing:) Did you know this sanbox is showing up here? --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:52, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Hi Matt, there is a problem with my version of the checklist. It works on my computer and browser set up but not on Larry Sangers. He is using I.E. and PC. Unfortunately i have not been able to replicate the problem that Larry sees so it is very hard for me to debug. For the pertinent conversations see these talk sections. User_talk:Larry_Sanger/Archive_3#checklist and here User_talk:Larry_Sanger#checklist.

I'm using IE on a PC as well. I'll check the linked discussion. --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:03, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
I removed the checklist templates from my two sandboxes (re: the sandboxes being in the category as discussed below). Feel free to revert that edit so you can check if the problem is present for you too. Chris Day (talk) 14:10, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I have checked it on my laptop and PC with IE and 800x600 and 1280x800 with the same overlap on each. The overlap that I see is about 2/3 the way down the outer box (not the article checklist box). There is no overlap of the Article checklist box and archive box at all. The contents box overlaps this bottom third of the template box. If you choose to hide the content box, the text from the talk page migrates up into the bottom third of the template box. Could it be that the background picture is what is determining the size of the box and we can cut the bottom off. Or if we take the border transparent? I don't know if we can do that with these things:) --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:52, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
I tried a few things myself (just changed numbers in your template and the only thing that didn't show as overlap was making the border transparent and that was not as good looking. But see what you think. Maybe you know a few more tricks. --Matt Innis (Talk) 19:07, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

With respect to the seperate page for approval discussion it is very simple to implement and I can write up a proceedure. I have not implemented it globably since I have had very little feedback. In fact, yours here is the first. I was not sure if that was a positive or negative sign.

Let me be the first to endorse it then, provided it is not too hard to put together. It could even be put into a template format that we can plop on a page at the same time as the checklist can't it? --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:03, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
Actually it is in a template form already. See the biology and life talke pages that use {{Approval history}}. Chris Day (talk) 14:10, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
Of course it is!:) --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:52, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

I did know my sandbox was in the category. Do you think it i a problem? i can deactivate it except for hen i am actively trouble shooting. I'll switch it off right now. Chris Day (talk) 12:18, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

Don't worry about, it is fine with me. I figured you had a reason, that's why I didn't remark it out myself. --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:03, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

Recent Changes

Chris I think you put together the recent changes box in the workgroups. I just noticed that Life Draft changes don't appear there. What do you think?

David Tribe 05:30, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

You need to look at the recent changes under the approved/draft section. Unfortunately it is impossible to get all recent changes in the same list using the related changes feature. ideally we need to have workgroup watchlists. The advantage of a watchlist is that talk pages will also appear on the list of changes, as well as us only having to monitor one list. In addition, only the most recent changes for any page will be seen rather than all recent changes. The advantage of only seeing the most recent change is the list does not get dominated by many minor changes to one particular article. Maybe you could chime in on this thread in the forums: http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,591.0.html It seems to have been missed or ignored by the developers. Chris Day (talk) 10:01, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Recently uploaded image(s)

Hi Chris. Do me a favor and put some licensing data at the walk/crawl images. See Images Help—Copyrights for help. Thanks! — Stephen Ewen 19:01, 14 April 2007 (CDT) Chris. I am putting both in Infant growth and development. This boy (full term infant?) was how old on the day of the pictures? thanks, Nancy Sculerati 19:15, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Version 1.1 of life

I have put Life/Draft V 1.1 up for approval. Your views on that are welcome, cheers D David Tribe 19:31, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

Progress is good

Thats good Chris: with positive support such as you just gave well be able to roll forward. Thanks

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Template help

Chris, thanks a lot for your help with this. :-) ----Stephen Ewen 00:38, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

No problem. Checkout the Template:Acronymlist (which should be a protected template!). Hopefully you can see how it is easy to add any acronym to the list as well as customise the output for each one. Hope this helps ease the way for you. Chris Day (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Actually, your {{acronym}} and {{soup}} templates will need to be protected too. The last thing you want is pranksters editing the official messages from the constables. Chris Day (talk) 00:46, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Protected. Also, may I ask a question? With {{wpcheckbox}} I tired to get it to include a heading, but when it is placed on a talk page and one edits the resulting section there...it edits the template! Any way to make it not do that? Stephen Ewen 03:03, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Nothing that i know of. I have made a few suggestions at the template page. Chris Day (talk) 03:24, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

screenshots

Chris, this is what I see: [1],[2],[3].

There is still the same overlap, but I like the approval template attached to it!!! Keep going, you're getting closer;) I can do this anytime, so just ask and I'll zip you over a screenshot. --Matt Innis (Talk) 13:07, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Interesting, not at all like i expected. I told Larry i didn't need screen shots but that was probably a mistake. I'll keep going :) Thanks for the help. Chris Day (talk) 13:14, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Approval and style stuff

Yes, I do approve of you much appreciated tools. The shorter name is good and once people get used to the system they'll like it. Thanks. On another topic I'm thinking that we should have a uniform box color style at CZ. light-blue for CZ article summary statements. light yellow for quotes from other sources, as "just happened' in Life? Was that what you were thinking?. WHere do we take this next, the forums or just put it in the style guides? The regular readers would soon subconsiously learn it as a rule of meaning David Tribe 15:51, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

i think the forums might be a good place to introduce it. But I wouldn't wait for a solid decision, it is better to implement the 'rule' on a subset of pages. I think people get the idea better when they can see the principle in action. Descriptions on forums don't usually attract much attention. Also, as we implement this on a subset of articles we will be able to fine tune it more readily. We can easily have a 'quote template' and 'summary template'. This is a huge advantage to keep everything consistent and styles can be changed easily at a later date. I like your thinking. Chris Day (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Before I had a chance to read the comment above (and I agree with it) it happened I drafted an entry so : Citizendium:Manual of Style . We could just leave it there without comment to mellow with time? They could be the starting point of templates too. David Tribe 17:01, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Agreed, a multipronged attack to derail the doubters :) Chris Day (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

I am no doubter, but a great admirer. Still could you try a lighter blue? Nancy Sculerati 17:47, 17 April 2007 (CDT) CCFFFF

You guys are awesome. And I'd like to see what a lighter blue looks like, too. --Matt Innis (Talk) 18:08, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

In the examples below i ran with the lightblue and steadily reduced the saturation of the colour. Obviously other parameters can be changed too but see how you like this. Chris Day (talk) 00:59, 18 April 2007 (CDT)

Lightblue (25% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#B8DAE5 (20% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#C3DDE5 (15% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#CFE0E5 (10% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#DAE3E5 (5% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#ADD8E6 aka lightblue
See Life for a complete explanation
Blue (100% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#8080FF (50% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#BFBFFF (25% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#DEDEFF (13% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#EDEDFF (7% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#0000FF aka Blue
See Life for a complete explanation
#556CE6 (63% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#9CA8E5 (32% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#C1C7E5 (16% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#D3D6E5 (8% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#DCDEE5 (4% saturation)
See Life for a complete explanation 		#556CE6
See Life for a complete explanation
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