CZ:New Workgroup Requests

|width=10% align=center style="background:#F5F5F5"|  |} The Citizendium Editorial Council (or a workgroup thereof) will be responsible for settling on new workgroups. Nonetheless, we need a place where the community can suggest new workgroups. Please do so below.

Brand new groups

• Yoga
• Martial arts

These content areas are HUGE, and high-level. So, far, the articles are trying to cram everything into one place, and its something beyond cumbersome.

I'm also with Frank Sudia (below) on the Cognitive Science workgroup, and am contemplating the need to break the Psychology workgroup down into smaller bits.

Going out on a limb here, I'd be willing to drive a bit on any or all of the above. Yea, like I've got time for that...but, I'd entertain it. --Michael J. Formica 13:27, 8 November 2007 (CST)

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• Financial Services
• Artificial Intelligence
• Cognitive Science

I'm not stepping up to be the driver of these, yet, but I have a hard time seeing how CZ can get more mature without these Frank Sudia 19:50, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

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• Telecommunications Workgroup to document about subjects like:
  • Next Generation Networks (NGN), IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS),
  • Standardization in telecommunications:
    • European Telecommunications Standards Instititue (ETSI)
    • 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP).
  • PSTN networks.

--Wim Huyghe 16:02, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

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• Dance

• Biography

• Space Exploration
  • This is a really good idea. I actually came to this page to suggest a workgroup with this exact title, but was pleasantly surprised to see it here. The Astronomy workgroup seems oriented (as its name would suggest) to cataloging the natural phenomena in outer space. Human endeavors in this area is another area entirely, and one that I would love to contribute to. Carl Jantzen 11:26, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
    • I started a thread on the forum about this topic: [1] Carl Jantzen 14:27, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

• Transportation (automobile, trucks, motorcycles, marine, aircraft, airports, flyways, roadways, highways, traffic engineering and planning, and more) — Jeff Dean 22:55, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
  • I concur, only for the sake of brevity I would call it 'Transport'. I wish to create a "Sailing" article. I relate to it as a form of transport, but found it is an article under sports. Can an article be included under more than one Workgroup?Andrew Fleisher 22:33, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
    • Yes, it can Andrew. --Larry Sanger 11:58, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

• Information Security -- this is a discrete discipline from Workgroup:Computers, but does have some overlap with the 'Security' subgroup. I am new to the fold and plan to add many, many articles on the subject

• Social Groups (or something similar), where organisations such as Scouting and NGOs (non-government organisations, e.g. the Red Cross/Crescent) can be documented. - Andrew Fleisher 22:33, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
  • Maybe we should have separate categories/workgroups for 'Business Organisations', 'Government Organisations' (which includes international bodies such as the UN) and 'Other Organisations'. The idea requires development. - Andrew Fleisher 23:05, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

• Investment, which has some matter in common with business, but also has a lot which is not. - Andrew Fleisher 22:43, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

• Myths and Legends. Greek and Roman mythical and legendary topics fit into classics, but there are many more bodies of myths and legends that have nowhere specifically to go, and would probably end up being scattered randomly around the Literature, Religion and Anthropology workgroups, likely leading to duplication of effort. A Myths and Legends workgroup, or something similar, might be a more useful way of organising our efforts in that area. --Patrick Brown 19:30, 27 April 2007 (CDT)
  • Folklore. Generally categorized under anthropology but covers a number of things that many people wouldn't think to file under the anthropology workgroup. It will be a while before we have enough people or articles to make this one worth while, but I'm working on it. ;-) --Joe Quick (Talk) 15:40, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

• Country/state-specific workgroups. E.g., [CZ: United States], [CZ: New York State]. Articles relating to such entities will overlap with many categories - history, geography, politics, economy, etc. Anton Sweeney 10:36, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
  • I now agree with this. Experience both with editors and with the articles themselves has shown that such workgroups would be invaluable. But the top-level workgroup, or perhaps a new supercategory, would be Area Studies. --Larry Sanger 11:58, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
    • How does one go about setting them up? (I presume its an Editorial task?) Presumably with Area Studies first, then 'sub' workgroups per continent, then to country level, and so on down to a 'bottom' level? I'd suggest an arbitrary cutoff at some point - county or state/province, maybe - with an exception being cities. Anton Sweeney 15:12, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
      • Yes, we are going to want to make one big New Workgroups Resolution. --Larry Sanger 16:12, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

• Alcohol. Possibly a sub-group of the Food Science workgroup. Beer, whiskey and whisky, wine, cocktails... Anton Sweeney 18:44, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
  • That would be bartending. I see no reason why that is not adequately covered under Food Science. Stephen Ewen 18:58, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
    • So that would make Gary Rhodes, Julia Child, et al, waiters? ;-) But yeah, while I was talking more about the brewing/distilling process, Food Science does probably cover it. Anton Sweeney 11:09, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

• Film or Dramatic Arts - Film is a gigantic area that probably should have a workgroup to itself. An alternative would be to include film, dramatic TV, and possibly theater all under the umbrella of "dramatic arts" -- the idea being that there is a lot of overlap with actors, directors, etc. Right now film stuff is going into visual art or media or both. I don't think there will be as much overlap with qualified art (painting, sculpture, etc.) editors and the film and TV stuff. Maybe film could be under media, but so far no one has explained exactly what media is supposed to encompass. (Journalism is separate, so it's not that.) Should film and/or TV be lumped in with magazines and newspapers as "media"? I don't think so. The idea below for "Performance Arts" is similar, but maybe is too inclusive. How many opera singers and dancers are also in movies or TV shows? The few who are can be listed in more categories, of course.--Eric Winesett 14:34, 13 November 2007 (CST)

I'm with you, Eric. I think some of this has got to be decided at a higher structural level. Exactly how small(large) are workgroups supposed to be? If Yoga gets its own workgroup as suggested above (and no disrespect, but considering how huge some of the other workgroup areas are, I don't see that it should) then certainly, film and television belong, not together, but in separate workgroups--never mind being lumped in with "visual arts" or "media". Perhaps we could deal with print as "mass media"? Certainly, if we're talking divisions this small, "dance" would be its own workgroup, otherwise it should stay with "Performance Arts" below.

As to your other question: How many opera singers and dancers are also in movies or TV shows? TONS, if you're not looking through 21st Century lenses! Mario Lanza, Ezio Pinza, Wilhelmina Fernandez, Cecilia Bartoli, The Nicolas Brothers, Fred Astaire, Cyd Charisse, Ginger Rogers, Gene Kelly, Gregory Hines, Savion Glover, Mikhail Baryshnikov, and...Jennifer Lopez....:)

Aleta Curry 19:36, 13 November 2007 (CST)

• Philanthropy has been suggested by User:Harold C. Heard Jr.. Stephen Ewen 01:08, 5 December 2007 (CST)

• Horticulture and Landscaping - or separate them. Stephen Ewen 03:14, 5 December 2007 (CST)

We certainly need horticulture--we "have" it, actually, under Agriculture, and one or t'other of us keeps putting it in as if it's already a workgroup, only to get a red link. Aleta Curry 19:41, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Changes

• Performance Arts, for Theater
  • But then where does one place articles about 'performing' for movies and sitcoms? - Andrew Fleisher 02:26, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
    • Well, if we created 'Performance Arts', it would include theatre, dance, opera...music would crossover, film and television performance would crossover as well. Film is still problematic under our present system; we're including film articles in both Visual Arts and Media at the mo. Aleta Curry 17:10, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

If this proposed workgroup is created, we should use the more common term Performing Arts rather than Performance Arts. First of all, the latter can be easily confused with the performance art genre of visual art. Second, and more important, a quick Google test gets 54.4 million hits for "performing arts", but less than a million for "performance arts". —Eric Winesett 19:42, 23 November 2007 (CST)

• I request a perverted sexual disorders workgroup. While that is technically covered under the psychology and health sciences workgroup, I think a dedicated team would be awesome. Plus then I could be like "Yea, I'm part of the perverted sexual disorders workgroup." :) Mike Mayors (Talk) 23:14, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

• I would like to see a workgroup dealing with pseudoscience and the supernatural, e.g. 'Pseudoscience and the Supernatural'. Candidate #1: Intelligent Design. John Stephenson 23:59, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

I would rather separate pseudoscience and supernatural. Because there are many things that are pseudoscience but not supernatural, like phrenology and eugenics, while not all supernatural are labeled as pseudoscience. Yi Zhe Wu 09:33, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

You can't decide what is pseudescience and what is not. Some people would argue that phrenology and eugenics are dated; others that the two disciplines might be wrong; but still contain useful ideas and knowledge. But the supernatural is different. Ghosts, alien abductions or ley lines could use specialist workgroups; but i would suggest we create a folklore and a metaphysics workgroups before we reach into the label of supernatural. Micha van den Berg 11:37, 28 November 2007 (CST)

• Fashion Workgroup, to cover articles about clothing. Yi Zhe Wu 09:34, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

• I'd just like to offer the suggestion that we shouldn't make a workgroup for every microcosm-of-microcosm that exists. That's like saying we need quark, electrons, and proton subgroups of the atom subgroup of the chemistry subgroup of the science workgroup.--Robert W King 09:42, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Well said Robert. --Charles Sandberg 09:52, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
    • True, but fashion is in no way adequately covered under any of the current others. Well, anthropology studies it, but there ain't no way a fashion industry guru should be made an anthropology editor!  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 20:59, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

• Combine the current Hobbies and Games workgroups into a Hobbies and Games workgroup James F. Perry 11:44, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
  • No, I don't think so. The Hobbies workgroup is problematic enough; that would make it worse. Games seems much easier to define; leave it alone. Aleta Curry 18:32, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

• Eduzendium Workgroup to identify those articles that are attached to the Eduzendium project so others see that these are school projects. --Matt Innis (Talk) 20:37, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
  • Clearly needed, for simple practical reasons.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 14:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Suggest change section title

• Moved this from main page at Larry's suggestion:

I don't know what we're calling the organizational sections that the workgroups fall into, but I'd like to address the one now called "Recreation".

Let's change this to "Avocations, Recreation and Related Professions". It will help us deal with hobbies that are paraprofessional and avocations that can be amateur or professional (gardening, sports, cooking are crossover occupations that spring to mind.)

Now we can keep the present workgroups and also add one for 'Service Organisations' (The Red Cross, The United Way, Rotary International and the like.) This will also solve the many issues that have been raised with regard to "hobbies" in the forums, and also, as someone pointed out elsewhere, that Service Orgs and charities aren't included anywhere at the moment. Aleta Curry 00:09, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

• I suggest an Electronics Workgroup. This would cover real electronics, such as circuits, filters, digital to analog filters, Wheatstone bridges and the myriad of things involved with electronic gadets. Electronic games would fall under a different category. Some current pages are ready for this category, such as Ohm's law, Kirchhoff's current law and Voltage. This would be subcategory of physics. David E. Volk 15:08, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

• I suggest an India workgroup. I am going to do a lot of work on India related topics, and I am also going to suggest a lot of my co-writers to join here and build up the India related articles in near future; and if my prediction goes correct, a lot of writers from India are going to join in the next couple of months. Thus we will need a workgroup for India, who will cover India related topics. I find that someone has already suggested to start country related workgroups.--Pinaki Ghosh 08:36, 9 September 2007 (CDT)

• I suggest a workgroup with (perhaps) the title of "Cybernetics" to cover the topics of information theory, decision theory, games theory. the prisoners dilemma experiments, systems analysis, complexity, chaos, error reporting etc. To many people these are important topics, and they are scarcely, if at all, dealt with by other workgroups. I should be willing to make some starting contributions.

Nick Gardner 01:06, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

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• Translation

This would be more to coordinate translation of necessary materials from other languages for inclusion. Geoffrey Plourde 17:06, 11 November 2007 (CST)