User talk:Y.I. Pachankis

Welcome to Citizendium

Y.I., Welcome to the wiki! Please leave a note on my Talk page if you have any questions. Pat Palmer (talk) 10:18, 26 July 2023 (CDT)

Have you read CZ:Policy on Self-Promotion? Peter Jackson (talk) 05:28, 28 July 2023 (CDT)

White hole article

Unfortunately, the White hole article cannot be posted by you, but another contributor such as I could post it for you if you request that. I'd like to know whether you intend to contribute to the wiki in other places, or whether your only intention was to post this article and leave. Either way, the article as it now stands will have to be deleted shortly. Pat Palmer (talk) 08:51, 28 July 2023 (CDT)

Thank you for the feedback. I agree with your concern and hope you can create the white hole page. It is a very nitch science topic and I'll revise accordingly to arrange the content concerns. I am currently managing the black hole page. You can also supervise my edits. More sensitive will be later when I edit the COVID-19 contents. I regard scientific outreach in public media quite critical nowadays... Editing something I am passionate about first reduces my anxiety concerning the issues of global censorship.

--Y.I. Pachankis (talk) 09:02, 28 July 2023 (CDT)

Y.I., In case you didn't understand, you may NOT personally make any edits to the newly recreated White hole page. You can develop a draft of that article in your sandbox area and ask me to install the changes from the draft into the main article, but you may NOT edit that article directly. It is against the self promotion policy. I will revert the edits you made there in the last 24 hours and install the draft for you on your sandbox, where you can ask me, when you think it's mature, to install the change by leaving a note on my user page. Your name MUST NOT appear in the edit history of that article. Please comply. Pat Palmer (talk) 09:30, 30 July 2023 (CDT)

Here is the sandboxed version of the article: User:Y.I._Pachankis/sandbox/White_hole. Please make your edits here and not on the official article, and when you think it's the way you like it, please notify me so that I can decide whether to install your changes or not. Pat Palmer (talk) 09:33, 30 July 2023 (CDT)

Y.I., I have left a message on User:Mark Widmer's talk page asking him to review your sandbox draft. If he approves it, he will copy its contents over to the main article. Because this topic involved your research, this is how it has to work in this wiki to avoid violating the self-promotion policy. Pat Palmer (talk) 09:41, 30 July 2023 (CDT)

Hi Pat Palmer. I think you have the same misunderstandings on "policy" and such wordings. First, I assume Citizendium is an NGO, but nowadays many NGOs follow the rules, or policies whatever they are labeled, but derive from the very purposes of essence of the policies to start with. I see your well-intention, but I need to address my concern on this tendency. Normally this is how fascism starts and develop into Nazism. If I had that time, or if that I don't care about the public issues and outreach, I can spend more time on my own science and research instead of wasting my time editing wikis. I don't want to talk too much about white holes, but anyhow you interpret it, suit yourself. Just make sure not to revert the COVID-19 issues into disinformation.

--Y.I. Pachankis (talk) 09:53, 30 July 2023 (CDT)

Hi Pat Palmer, I just took a look at User:Mark Widmer's page. I don't know. I mean, I don't feel comfortable letting someone in retirement see what I have to say with my research, which I only cited my previous literature but don't think it's time making it too visible. But anyhow... He indeed looks to have well-suited judgments on this matter with his background.

--Y.I. Pachankis (talk) 10:22, 30 July 2023 (CDT)

White Hole article updated

Hello,

Thanks for writing the white hole article. I have reviewed the sandbox draft, and copied its content to the main article (as requested by Pat Palmer). I made one main edit, to make the "intro" section more at a beginner/non-expert level. Because the article is based on your own original research publications, you must not edit the article directly -- but you are welcome to ask me to do edits. Just edit my Talk/Discussion Page and add any request or comment at the bottom: https://citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Mark_Widmer

Mark

p.s. Welcome to Citizendium! Mark Widmer (talk) 10:50, 30 July 2023 (CDT)