User talk:Mary Ash/Archive 2

Mary Ash

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Hi, Mary. I am not the "talk page archiver", but I can help. I just archived your talk page. Please note that, as Hayford told you, the user page should contain some biographical statement. --Peter Schmitt 23:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome

Hope you end up finding the place to your liking! Aleta Curry 23:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see my response to your post about Betty Crocker on my Talk page

Please look at User talk:Milton Beychok to see my response. Milton Beychok 06:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

See my comments on the Talk page of the V-22 Osprey article

I hope you will find it useful whenever you upload more images. Milton Beychok 06:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!Mary Ash 06:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I can beat that

It's been almost 40 years since I got my degree. But some people here are even older... Ro Thorpe 18:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I got mine 46 years ago, but one year late, so it *should* have been 47 years ago. (But maybe I wuz a child prodigy and am *still* younger than Ro!) Seems like only yesteryear, however.... Hayford Peirce 18:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I haven't got mine yet, so technically if you went back a million years you still wouldn't have gone back far enough to reach the point when I got my degree. I win ;) --Chris Key 18:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I got my B.S. 64 years ago. Would have gotten it 2 years earlier, except I had 2 years in the army during WWII. Milton Beychok 06:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Please look at corrections made to Image:Red-wooden-house-4071.jpg

Mary, in the kindest and gentlest of words, you really must learn that CZ does not allow us to upload photos for Flickr, Commons or elsewhere unless we obtain the real name of the photographer. "gari.baldi" was obviously a pseudonym. See http://www.ipernity.com/user/garibald and also http://www.flickr.com/people/garibaldi/ for his real name and where he lives. The camera metadata in the image file provide the date that the photo was taken. Milton Beychok 06:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Might be a good idea to link Mary to where she may find the Citizendium policy on such things? None of the changes you made to the picture details are accompanied by a reason for having done so (unless there are reasons stated in the edit summaries, but that is simply too much investigation for a new user to be expected to undertake), and I do not see any previous conversations about this subject to show that Mary has been informed of correct policy. I think maybe you should first inform her of the accepted policy so that she has an opportunity to learn? David Finn 09:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Ps, your single edit summary on the picture page reads Numerous corrections. Took less than 5 minutes to find real name so I will venture out on a limb and say - if you want anyone to learn what CZ does and does not allow you will have to teach them, and a good place to start might be to link to the relevant policies. I am guessing that most Citizendium authors are capable of learning if they are correctly informed, but as yet I do not see any evidence of that having been done in this case (at least in the obvious places, like this or your talkpage, or the talkpage of the picture in question, or the talkpages of the other pictures Mary has uploaded - which incidentally have no author attributed either). David Finn 09:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The policies on images vary depending on the copyright status of the image. However, when you use the upload wizard to upload an image it tells you all of the relevant policies along the way. For example, when Mary uploaded something from Flickr she would have ended up on page which states at the top "It is imperative that you know the real name of the Flickr user who owns this photo. Most Flickr users have their real name in their profile, and those who don't will usually tell you it if you email them. If you can't find the real name of the author, do not upload the image." --Chris Key 09:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I understand your point, but perhaps you can understand mine. There was much discussion about the fact that many editors, including university professors, had failed in the registration process, simply because they failed to write the required 50 words in their submission, and despite clear instructions printed on the page. Those specific instructions had, I believe, to be emphasised in order to limit mistakes, so there is certainly a precedent for unclear (or even clear) instructions going unseen by well meaning contributors. In any event your succinct and informative post should clear up any misunderstanding, and is useful to any other author who may stumble upon the conversation. David Finn 09:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I hope not to be intruding, but there is clearly a balance to be found among the desire of some of the more experienced to follow rules that may not be clearly documented, the phrasing of what is intended as good-faith guidance, and what often turns into defensiveness on the parts of both new and old Citizens. The new Help system, I hope, will help enormously, because it is organized around actions, not what may be obscure policy structures. Howard C. Berkowitz 14:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)