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I am an editor in the biology workgroup | 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, Current talk page (18,347)

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Notes to self

For catalogs.

  • Specific subpage categories are now placed on talk page so do not trail the extended subpage name for every entry when seen in the subpages categories. See {{Talk Always}}.
  • Extra/Optional subpages categories are on all subpages except for the default ones. These give lists of all optional subpages in a particular workgroup and thus require the subpagename so they can be distinguished for each article. See {{All Subpage Content}}.
  • {{Catalogs header}} is now only used for the header. The footer is not used for anything at present.
  • To-Do: Need to consider where the sub-subpages fit into this scheme, should probably do something similar.
  • All approved talk pages will need to have the following format for this scheme to work:

#REDIRECT [[Talk:Dog/Draft]] <noinclude>{{Subpages}}</noinclude>


Category:Move def
Category:Need def
Category:Delete def
Category:Definition Only
Category:Related Articles Only

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:Movepage?wpReason=Testing&wpOldTitle=Article_name&wpNewTitle=Article_name/Sandbox

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=CZ:Proposals/New&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Proposal_blank

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Category:Metadata to finish
Category:Misplaced subpage
Category:Unexpected subsubpage
Category:Incompatible editor status
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Category:Incorrect metadata pagename
Category:Articles_with_Ambiguous_Status
Category:No approval page
Category: No talk page
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Talk:Test article

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  • Need to figure out why basepagename does not work with some characters. Is this a problem for the normal function of the template? Need a way to figure out when basepagename and pagename in metadata template are different. Most likely after a move. Since the old name will still exist as a redirect this error catch will not detect such examples. Chris Day (talk) 19:05, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
  • What to do with subpages with out a main article. i.e. Charles, Prince of Wales. And why is this one getting the pagename warning instead of the no metadata/no article warning? Need to readjust these warning plate parameters and add a new template saying no associated article. Possibly have some of the parameters shown on the tempalte so a judgement call can be made as to whether to delete, move or create a new cluster. Possibly make less conspicuous on floating subpages in case that is desirable. Chris Day (talk) 19:47, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
  • Turns out that the capitalalization does matter if using subsubpages. The tennis subsubpages is an example. Any time a string such as Template:Article name or Talk:Article name is used it will crash the template. Can catch this by checking for if the subpage is one of the three that can support subsubpages yet gives a misparsed subsubpage. Will be in the unexpected category.

Keep these template for Template:Subpages2 the vertical version of subpages. I will probably develop this into a workgroup core articles template.

Note to self: need a subgroup version of Template:Wk gp tbl

[[{{{subgroup}}}|{{{subgroup}}} article]] [[:Category:{{{subgroup}}} Subgroup|All articles]] [[:Category:{{{subgroup}}} Subgroup_Draft|Draft]] [[:Category:{{{subgroup}}} Editors|Editors]]
Recent changes Recent changes [[:Category:{{{subgroup}}} Authors|Authors]] Mailing list:
{{{mlist}}}

Cool template

Check out Sophophora and {{Clade}}. J. Noel Chiappa 11:36, 3 June 2008 (CDT)

what is our comparison way of doing this type of workgroup statistics?

I saw this the the wp:med site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Medicine_articles_by_quality_statistics

and then inserted in to their "project" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine

What is the CZ equivalent to that type of stastics table? It seems pretty useful. I especially like how it is easy to get to the "unnaccessed" articles. Tom Kelly 16:21, 3 June 2008 (CDT)

We have the Checklist-generated categories for Health Sciences (see the bottom of the workgroup header). Wikipedia seems to have a bot that counts the number of articles in each category and then updates the table. We'd have to do it manually here is the current state:

805 Articles
4 Approved [0]
46 Developed [1]
289 Developing [2]
395 Stub [3]
63 External [4]
46 Advanced [0-1]
339 Nonstub [0-2]
734 Internal [0-3]

Note that the number of articles is 805 but those with status of 0,1,2,3, and 4 is 797. From this you can infer there are eight Health Sciences articles that do not have a designated status in the metadata template. Chris Day 16:35, 3 June 2008 (CDT)

Just noticed that approved articles are not added into the advanced [0-1] category. I've fixed that now. Chris Day 16:56, 3 June 2008 (CDT)

Definitions meet hover

Check out this, and my reply here. J. Noel Chiappa 11:55, 4 June 2008 (CDT)
PS: Time to archive your talk page! (I just got done doing mine...) J. Noel Chiappa 11:55, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

IsoData and Properties differences

Hi Chris, I looked at your work on the {{Props}} and {{Properties}} templates.

FYI:I changed the {{Properties}} call in {{Props}} back to make it a table entry. Now the problem with the curly braces is back. (the closing braces get included in with the last data "segment".) Curiouser and curiouser. Not sure if this is an indication of what is going on with the data parsing, or if this is an all new wierdness. I also changed some of the {{!}}'s back to pipes, and put a carriage return after each data member in the :List (oh, and I pointed Props back to "Material/Properties/List"...just trying to keep this as simple as possible...

PS: Thanks for taking time to look at these templates...your help is appreciated.--David Yamakuchi 13:15, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Proteins

Chris, I am not sure quite how to define protein, but they are basic building blocks of muscle, for example, and also cells walls, etc., and of course that still leaves all of the enzymes. David E. Volk 15:56, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Props

"Credit" where it's due  :-) ...You solved it. Kudos to you Chris. The conditional stuff looks like it works ok now too. --David Yamakuchi 16:12, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

So, I'm curious - what was the problem? I see you put the table inside the conditional - was that it? J. Noel Chiappa 16:26, 5 June 2008 (CDT)
Never mind - I saw your message to David. So it was the table, huh? No idea why that fixed it - unless there's something to my theory about the parser/preprocessor getting confused between the "|" in the table, and the "|" used in template calls to separate arguments. J. Noel Chiappa 16:34, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Properties Template

I think I may have stepped on your edit...sorry. I think I have the calls to the data pages worked out, but I'm about to walk out the door for the weekend, so I just wanted to put the thing somewhere so someone doesn't duplicate effort.--David Yamakuchi 16:18, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

I'm out for the weekend now if you's like to keep going. Sorry about the confusion, but I'm late....:-(--David Yamakuchi 16:23, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Dismabiguation subpage

Umm, because I'm a moron unimaginative tree-shrew? :-) (The ref is to King Solomon's Ring - not sure if you've read it, wonderful book.) Mostly because that's the syntax WP used, and I didn't think to change it, but you're right, a subpage would be more in keeping with CZ style. Is there any technical advantage, past the ability to use {BASENAME} to get the term being disambiguated, to a "{Basename}/Disambiguation" subpage, over "{Basename} (disambiguation)"? J. Noel Chiappa 16:34, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

PS: I don't see any good reason to have a {{subpages}} header on a disambiguation page. For one thing, there's no main article page at {BASENAME}. For another, there are unlikely to be any other subpages that we need to get to through the subpage navigation bar. And special-casing {subpages} for disambiguation pages will just make it more complex, and for no good reason - it's kind of like making a combination hammer-screwdriver, just so you don't have to put one tool down to pick up another. I think people can deal with the concept that they have to use a different name on disambiguation pages.

I agree that it's a pain to have to put the pagename into {{dabhdr}}, but it we could get the strings: package installed, we could fix that. Still, I'm not against using a subpage - I'd be perfectly fine with either. But if there's a good reason to use a subpage, we should decide quickly, before too many "{Foo} (disambiguation)" pages get created. I'll see if Larry has an opinion. J. Noel Chiappa 06:07, 6 June 2008 (CDT)

Perhaps I got Chris wrong, but I had seen this in the context of the discussion on sub-subpages. So what I understood is that he proposed to have a "Foo" page and to include "Foo (tree)", "Foo (shrew)" etc. as subpages thereof. "Foo (disambiguation)" and what is now sometimes "Foo (general)" could then be put into "Foo" directly, and we would avoid all the redirects. Of course, then, we would require that if the "Foo (shrew)" subpage is open, a click on the "Related Articles" subpage link would automatically lead to "Foo (shrew)/Related Articles", and I have no idea as to whether this is any close to feasible at the moment. -- Daniel Mietchen 06:42, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
I think you misunderstood my idea. I was thinking of having the disambiguation page on a subpage of the disambiguated term not on the term itself. The term would still be a redirect, but in this case to its own subpage. I had not thought much of this new scenario you suggest and that might work too. Chris Day 10:16, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
I'm not sure that's such a hot idea, myself. Those are freestanding article in their own right, not in some sense 'part of' (in information terms) a related group of information; they are related by their names only (usually). Also, they will have their own subpages, etc, etc, so now we'll have some articles with the Biblio subpage at {Foo}/Biblio, and others at {Foo}/{Bar}/Biblio, which I think will also be confusing. J. Noel Chiappa 10:43, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
This was not what i was thinking. My rationale was to have everything the same as now except that Foo (disambiguation) would live at Foo/Disambiguation. The only advantage is that the subpages template can be placed there instead of the disambiguation templates (The disambiguation templates would be placed by the subpages template automatically). So, Foo would be a redirect and nothing else would exist at the Foo cluster (except Foo/Disambiguation), all the original subpages and metadata associated with the old article at Foo would have been moved to the disambiguated article at Foo, bar or Foo (bar). Does this make sense? Chris Day 11:56, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
No, I understood all that - my reply immediately above (at 10:43, 6 June 2008) was to Daniel's idea. I'm still thinking about your idea. My appeal to Larry for comments got no useful response; maybe one of us should have posted it on the Forum instead? J. Noel Chiappa 12:07, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
Actually, I had to change my proposal a tiny bit in response to unhappiness from some editors, who didn't like having to have to look up and type tree (plant), etc, etc. I had originally proposed what you thought - i.e. pretty much all basenames, with a few exceptions, redirect to the disambiguation page.
However, to keep them happy, I changed it to be 'if there is a most common meaning, the redirect can be set to that meaning'. It basically transfers work from people who write articles, but don't feel like checking their links, to the people who are checking disambiguated names, and fixing articles which refer to them.
Since it kept the heart of my proposal (making it easy to find links to ambiguous terms) intact, I felt it was better to give ground on that, than to have some people unhappy. And once the new system is adopted, perhaps after a while we can revisit the 'set the basename redirect to the most common meaning' issue.
So that's why we have {{dabbox}} in use; on articles where the basename redirect points at that article, rather than the disambiguation page, that header is needed to send people who get there, by going to the basename, to the disambiguation page. J. Noel Chiappa 10:43, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
This makes sense now. It would be better if the template could be added automatically but, unfortunately, I don't see a way to actually detect where a disambiguation redirect points too. Chris Day 12:04, 6 June 2008 (CDT)

As a general rule, I at least would like to be specifically informed whenever any new subpage type is created, and given a pointer to an explanation of why it's needed. As I imply below in response to Richard, we generally require editorial approval for new subpage types. Please see CZ:How to add a new subpage type which is still in effect. I believe this should also be added to CZ:Bold Moves, if not put into CZ:Proposals. So--is there in fact now a "Disambiguation" subpage, and if so, where is it explained? TIA!  :-) And, sorry for not keeping up. --Larry Sanger 09:16, 6 June 2008 (CDT)

new subpage

Can we get a new subpage category called "Primary sources" --the history articles will be using it to include texts of famous documents. Thanks. Richard Jensen 17:23, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Richard or Chris--please make sure that you run this by the Editorial Council. It does not have to be a big deal (it could be passed by acclamation perhaps), but I do not want new subpage types made simply because one editor asks one technical guy. The general idea looks good to me, as long as we distinguish this type clearly from both Bibliographies and from Works subpages. --Larry Sanger 08:38, 6 June 2008 (CDT)

Wierd bug

Check out {{Dambigbox}} and see if you have any idea why that fix I just made (to allow a blank first argument, and use the {PAGENAME} if so) doesn't work. The odd thing is it works fine when you display {{Dambigbox}} (as you can see), but when you use Dambigbox on some other page, it doesn't. Wierd... J. Noel Chiappa 11:05, 6 June 2008 (CDT)

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