User talk:Jack S. Byrom

Welcome to Citizendium!

Jack, Welcome to the wiki. Just jump in anywhere and let me know if you need any help by putting a message on my User Talk page. Pat Palmer (talk) 14:58, 26 February 2023 (CST)

THANKS =-JACK

Hi Jack! When you respond to a comment such as above, please start your comment with : which will indent it. And end it with four tildes which will sign it with your user talk page and the date/time. I added the indention for you this time. And note how two colons indents yet more (edit this page to see). Pat Palmer (talk) 10:24, 27 February 2023 (CST)

thanks, Will do. Just like Wikipedia :-) but hopefully better. Jack S. Byrom (talk) 10:35, 27 February 2023 (CST)

Please expect subpages to appear on your new articles when I get time

Jack, I love the new articles you are adding. On Citizendium, we use "subpages" for things like External links; those are in separate tabs along the top of the article. I will try to set that up on the new articles you create. You'll see it and I didn't want you to be shocked. It takes a little getting used to, but I came to be quite fond of it after some use and I hope you will also. For documentation, you can see what I'll be doing at CZ:Creating_an_article_with_subpages. It used to be automated but that is broken at present, so we have to do it manually.Pat Palmer (talk) 10:24, 27 February 2023 (CST)

Giving attribution to things copied from Wikipedia

Hi Jack! By license, we are supposed to add the {{WPAttribution}} template to articles where some of the content is the same as over in Wikipedia, even if we wrote it there. I usually stick that under a special section at the bottom of the article called "Attribution". See John A. McDougall for an example. Pat Palmer (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2023 (CST)

thanks. Noted. This was heavily edited and rewritten by me, and the heavy Wikipedia bias has been removed. Jack S. Byrom (talk) 19:39, 27 February 2023 (CST)

You don't actually need to acknowledge prior publication on WP. The licence requires only acknowledgment of authorship. Of course there's no harm doing it anyway. Peter Jackson (talk) 05:29, 28 February 2023 (CST)

Jack, it would be best to place a note on the Talk page of the McDougall article about bringing it from WP and why, in which case there is no need to include the WPAttribution template in the article itself. Peter, thanks for clarifying that we don't have to give attribution. I still prefer to give attribution of things we *didn't* write most of ourselves, because in at least some cases, Citizendium shows up in Google searches right next to Wikipedia and it's obvious that one copied the other. Giving credit is the nice thing to do, and I want us to "be nice" merely because WP so often isn't. But I've started putting the attribution at the bottom of the article rather than at the top like they did in the old days.Pat Palmer (talk) 08:56, 28 February 2023 (CST)

thanks for the suggestion about an attribution note on the Discussion at John McDougall. I think I had planned to do that and just hadn't quite gotten around to it, but I will. These articles are kind of fun because they're alive and works in progress. Best, Jack S. Byrom (talk) 09:38, 28 February 2023 (CST)

let's rename the Gandhi article

Jack, I propose to rename Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi to Mahatma Gandhi. Not that "Mohanda Karamchand" is not accurate, but almost no one will know it. Whereas, most will know "Mahatma". All the links currently in this wiki point to "Mahatma Gandhi" and not "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi". Do you have any major argument against that, or shall I do it? I will also set up a Gandhi disambiguation page and entering simply "Gandhi" in search will take a reader there first. Pat Palmer (talk) 10:18, 2 March 2023 (CST)

pat, that sounds reasonable to me. I was kind of wondering about that...thx. Jack S. Byrom (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2023 (CST)

Superfund and the long stringy definition of CERCLA

Jack, on the Superfund article, I had deliberately placed CERCLA and its long stringy expanded meaning in a footnote (in contrast to Wikipedia), because in my opinion no one uses that term except possibly deep specialists in environmental cleanup and I felt that it clutters the opener. Let's move that back to a footnote, please. Pat Palmer (talk) 09:39, 3 March 2023 (CST)

OK, sure thing. The article looks pretty good. Jack S. Byrom (talk) 09:54, 3 March 2023 (CST)