User talk:Jed Rothwell

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correcting your own text

Jed, your last two edit summaries:

• "It isn't "just" by creating -- creating is very difficult."
• "Let us get the products right. Do not distort the claims made by researchers. It isn't "ordinary" helium; it is unexpected"

In both instances you are making changes to parts of the text that are unchanged from the original version you uploaded here. I find this very confusing, have you changed you opinion since uploading it here? I'm guessing not, was this from wikipedia and you brought the wrong version? Chris Day 16:32, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

I don't know why. Sorry. Not an experienced Wiki user. The former was supposed to remark this change:

. . . highly loaded palladium deuteride. That is, palladium which has absorbed nearly as many atoms of deuterium as the number of palladium atoms in the sample. This material is extremely difficult to produce.

- Jed

Yes, it is does reflect that change but you seem to be critising your own work, or is it just that your original version still needs work? The latter one is an odd comment. Who is distorting the claims of researchers? the implication is it someone else but that is text you wrote? Chris Day 17:12, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

I don't think I was the one who called it "just helium." That's a strange way to put it. The helium (alpha particles) is highly unexpected and in these circumstances it is proof of a nuclear reaction. But anyway, I do frequently criticize and revise my own work!

Someone else added the fact that it is a deuteride. That's a good thing to mention, but it should be specified that it is a highly loaded deuteride, with a D/Pd ratio close to 1. Most of the experiments in 1989 that failed, did not work because the loading ratio was low, probably 0.6 at most. They did not measure loading but given the techniques it is hard to imagine they got above that.

- Jed

Sorry to confuse you, I got those links transposed in my paragraph above. Regardless, the point is the same in that both those corrections you made were from your own version.

"Fleischmann and Pons, and others who have replicated their work, propose that nuclear reactions can be initiated without extra energy or application of neutrons just by creating a special solid material in which deuterium is present. When fusion of deuterium takes place in this environment, they claim the main product is ordinary helium and heat rather than neutrons, tritium and radiation. " See original version here

My only point is do not be so harsh on those trying to help improve the article. No one tried to "distort the claims made by researchers", or claim that it was " "just" by creating", these were always in the article, not an addition from anyone here. Chris Day 20:53, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Ah, you are right. That being the case, I am criticizing my coauthor, Ed Storms. He must have put that "just by creating" in there, but I did not notice it. Bad wording. I like my version better.

Perhaps by "ordinary helium" he meant helium-4 as opposed to some other isotope. I better change that back before he sees it!

Jed Rothwell 23:33, 15 September 2008 (CDT)