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Toward Approval of Version 1.1

I see that the pointer on this ToApprove template points to the current Approved version of the article and I assume that it is meant for the latest version of the Draft which made it's last edits on June 18, 2009 by Robert. I also see that Gareth and Supten added their endorsement on June 19th and 20th which I also assume means that they saw the last two edits that were made after June 1, 2009 which is the date on the template. Considering that Robert made the editors, it looks like we have three edits that agree the current version, so unless there is any objection here tomorrow, we'll follow through with the process. If there is a problem, leave a note here and we'll check before we approve. Thanks, D. Matt Innis 02:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

APPROVED Version 1.1

New version ready - difficulties with draft/approved system

I would like to submit the current version as the new approved version. I think I am learning that the method of using drafts is awkward because the public version is always out-of-date. If we had all the money and resources in the world, I would like to see CZ explore replacing the draft/approved system with a single version that displays trust metrics. See and a proposal at - Robert Badgett 21:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

approval ready

We have three editors on board, now. That means we're ready to go. If the approving editors prefer, the target date for approval may be moved up. This one was set for extra long in advance so that we could be sure we'd have time to get all three editors arranged. --Joe (Approvals Manager) 18:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

An article about randomized trials should also point out the connection to its theoretical background from mathematical statistics. I have added three topics to the ralated topics list (it could probably be more), but it should be included in the main page, too, in some form. Peter Schmitt 23:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The definition is much too long -- remember its use (related pages) and the guidelines!
Peter Schmitt 23:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

APPROVED Version 1.2

Need to approve again

Can we approve the many changes? I do not recall the procedure for this. - Robert Badgett 16:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Robert, we can. Anthony has signed on, but since you made most of the edits, we'll need one more editor to sign on for approval. DOn't forget to put a date in the metadata template to let me know when the time comes. D. Matt Innis 02:03, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys, sorry to butt in here...but...At the end of the intro the last sentence reads: If the experimental treatment is strikingly better than the control arm, ...and then just stops.

I'm not sure where the rest of the sentence went, but you should probably find it before approving...imho.

Also, I think I saw some I will now change them. Sorry if I inadvertently made something incorrect...this subject is some pretty thick stuff....just trying to help.

Other than that I think it's a great article. --David Yamakuchi 00:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Merging two versions of Draft

I've merged two versions of the Draft page. There was only a two edit difference, but if something seems to be missing, let me know. It did not go as smoothly as it should have, but I can't tell if it is a cache issue that will correct itself soon. D. Matt Innis 03:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I have restored the most recent version. It was "covered" by the old (/draft) version due to the move. --Peter Schmitt 11:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Approval Process: Approval certified

Call for review: Peter Schmitt 00:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Call for Approval: Peter Schmitt 11:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Approval Notice: Revision 04:39, 26 January 2012

Final Approval set for Feb 20, 2012. Anthony.Sebastian 02:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Certification of Approval: Anthony.Sebastian 12:46, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss the article below, Randomized controlled trial/Approval is for brief official referee's only!


This has long been nominated for reapproval. --Peter Schmitt 01:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

You can add another three months to the above comment. I thought we had an Approvals Manager or something? David Finn 07:30, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
See also the comments in the section #Need to approve again above. The incomplete sentence is in the approved version, too. --Peter Schmitt 11:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


Final Approval set for Feb 20, 2012, allowing one more week for any needed revisions. Anthony.Sebastian 02:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


In a personal email I was criticised for signing my comment (on the /Approval subpage) by adding "Secretary of the EC" to my signature. I did so because by EC:R-2011-027 (C.1) the Secretary of the EC is involved in the management of the approval process (not in the final certification of the approval). Moreover, I have only stated facts and drawn a conclusion. It is in agreement with Anthony that, since this process is new, I help with the process. --Peter Schmitt 17:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the EC Secretary's guidance and assistance, as having only been recently appointed Co-Approval_Manager, I am new to the process. Anthony.Sebastian 04:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Just as a point of order (and I am not sure that the new rules were meant for this purpose), but I have completed the article mechanics even though it looks like Anthony is acting as the Approval Manager on his own article. Since we have two other editors, it probably isn't that important. D. Matt Innis 18:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Matt, thanks. This was long overdue. My input on this article was minimal, too little to be characterized as "his own article". I appreciate any caveats you have for future articles I certify for approval, because the green is prominent behind my ears. Anthony.Sebastian 17:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Absolutely, Anthony, that's the way I saw it, too. I think the important thing is that we have three editors approving it; the spirit and intent of the rule was to keep people from Approving their own article (without collaborative input). There is plenty of collaboration here, and, especially, little disagreement or controversy. Sometimes the more complicated we make the rules to avoid approval of biased articles, the more difficult we make the approval of the obviously neutrally written articles.
The rules have changed some, but I'll be glad to help any way that I can.
D. Matt Innis 17:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Matt, regarding draft articles for which I am neither Editor in any of the draft's Workgroup categories nor contributing author, may I, as Approvals Manager, be the first to nominate the draft, put up the ToApproval banner on the draft, then seek one or more Editors to support the nomination? If so, we can start increasing the rates of approval/re-approval.
I should think that okay, since, if I'm qualified to certify approval I should be equally qualified to nominate it for approval. In both cases I would need to carefully review the article. I would set the end-of-review date for at least two weeks after nomination and extend if necessary to find qualified Editors to support the nomination.
I see it as a method to facilitate the approval process overall. Any thoughts about this?  Anthony.Sebastian 21:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Anthony, EC:R-2011-027 seems to be saying exactly that. The Approval Manager position, as directed by the EC, seems to have been granted powers (including nominating an article for approval--as any Citizen can nominate an article), that were not available to the previous Approval Manager position. You might need to get clarification from the EC to determine if that was their intent, but as the constabulary, there is no reason not to act just as you describe. D. Matt Innis 22:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Matt, re-reading EC:R-2011-027 for the umpteenth time, my other self, that 98% of my brain I have no direct line with must have steered my course. Peter did not slap my hand when I recently nominated ASIMO. The challenge: finding appropriate Editors to support the nomination.