User talk:Russell D. Jones

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Welcome and thanks

I'm just spending some time this morning thanking the newer/returned people who did weekend wiki work. So, thanks, nice to have you here! --Larry Sanger 08:17, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Welcome Back!

Welcome back! two items:

1. can we make you an editor? CZ policy requires three editors approve history articles and the others have vanished on us so we need your help.
2. how can we link CZ with the EMU History Wiki ?? have you seen our Eduzendium project? see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Citizendium_Press_Releases/Jan242008

We'd love to have your students write CZ articles. Richard Jensen 16:18, 18 February 2008 (CST)

My fear is that I'd be just another absentee editor. I'm not here enough to be doing an editor's job. How dire is the situation? Are you the only historian/editor? Russell D. Jones 20:55, 18 February 2008 (CST)

in practice, yes...alas. (N=15 nominally) dire. But the excitement is to get students to work. I'm retired but next week will be talking to a VPAA about my teaching a historiography course in which the kids write CZ articles. Richard Jensen 23:00, 18 February 2008 (CST)

I don't mean to eavesdrop exactly, but Richard, the latter is great news! I hope you can swing it. --Larry Sanger 23:06, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Sure, I'll apply.

Hey great! we'll try not to seize your weekends and summer vacations. :) Richard Jensen 20:31, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Yes, great, nice to have you on board, Russell! --Larry Sanger 22:00, 19 February 2008 (CST)

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You made my day

I needed a good chuckle! Thanks for that! Lord knows I've been there and got the T-shirt! D. Matt Innis 00:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy to please. :) BTW, I had sauteed snowpeas with julianned onion and pepper and two varieties of broccoli over pasta. I feel much better now. --Russell D. Jones 01:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Approval nomination for Grand Trunk Railway

Russell, I responded at Talk:Grand Trunk Railway to your request that I look at the subject article. Regards, Milton Beychok 22:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Kamehameha I

In my opinion, Kamehameha I is as close to being "complete" as it can be. I think I have covered all major aspects of his life. I am asking you four; Joe Quick (as approvals manager), Roger A. Lohmann (as a history and politics editor), Russell Jones (as a history editor), and Howard Berkowitz (as a military editor), to look over the article and suggest any changes you think necessary. Between the five of us, I don't see why we can't get this article improved. Thanks for your time. Drew R. Smith 09:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

new editor

We have a new editor in the history, journalism, and media workgroups. He seems like just the right person to oversee the approval of moving panorama, which was written primarily by another history editor named Russell quite a while ago and seems very good to me. Since he's brand new, I thought maybe you could offer to be a sort of mentor for his first approval. You could also be a co-approver. I haven't said anything to him yet. --Joe Quick 13:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles on books...

I'd like to write an article on a book I recently read, The Age of Ra by James Lovegrove, and I wanted to take the time to ask a couple people about the mechanics of articles about books.

1. Are plot summaries ok?
2. Are lists of Characters ok, main characters or otherwise?
3. Is it ok to take a picture of the front cover to use as a picture for the article?
4. Is it ok to include an average retail price?

and finally

If included, should any of these things be put on a subpage?

Thanks Russell - Drew R. Smith 05:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there a Technology subgroup??

Russell, I noted your mention of a Technology subgroup on Howard's Talk page. Is there such a subgroup? What workgroup(s) is/are it affiliated with? Is there a list somewhere of all the subgroups? Milton Beychok 18:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I was proposing to Howard a CZ:History of Technology Subgroup. There is not one to my knowledge, but there should be one. Interested? Russell D. Jones 18:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps. I'll think about it. Milton Beychok 19:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Image Transparency Problem

(PD) Photo: Courtesy of the Image Science & Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center
HELP!

Here's the problem: there is a bunch of white space around the image. How do I make the white space go away? In other words, how do I make the image transparent to the background?

Related: how do I make TOC's transparent as well?

To see my problem, look at this page.

Thanks, all. Russell D. Jones 18:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Its a problem with the thumbnail. If you had used a non thumb image the whitespace wouldn't be there.

A simple but not very desirable solution

I'm still investigating how to thumbnail it without the whitespace. Be back soon. Drew R. Smith 03:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

From our friends at "The Other Place" (personally I hate using that phrase) I found that it is a mediawiki wide problem that mediawiki doesn't seem concerned about. There may be obscure tricks to get rid of it, but I can't find any. Drew R. Smith 03:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

But removing the frame or thumb also removes the caption! Russell D. Jones 13:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a simple, though probably not a very desirable solution. See above. I still haven't figured out how to remove the whitespace around a thumb. As I said before, it is a mediawiki problem, and they don't seem very concerned about it. I haven't even found any backdoor's or tricks to do it, which I'm usually pretty good at finding. I'll keep looking though. Drew R. Smith 09:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

A better but still not very desirable solution

Aha! You can box the whole thing (picture and caption) for the same effect as a thumbnail minus whitespace. Still not as easy as a normal thumbnail, but it works. Drew R. Smith 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

"Related: how do I make TOC's transparent as well?" - Not sure what you mean. If you mean non-existant its pretty simple. If you mean see through I haven't the foggiest, but could probably find out. Drew R. Smith 09:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==>Drew, like an image, a TOC is place in a box with a white background that is opaque to the background. 12:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Drew. I've posted the question at MediaWiki help too, but they weren't as speedy or as helpful as you. Thanks. Russell D. Jones 11:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Drew, check out this CSS solution. Russell D. Jones 13:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Drew, you put me on a path to a work-around. Here:

A picture of the Earth and Moon from space. NASA photograph.

Attempts by humans to travel above Earth's surface had been made for hundreds of years. Evidence of mankind's serious study of flight was discovered in 1898 in an Egyptian tomb in the form of a winged wooden model, dated 200 BC, that reportedly was truly a flyable model, curiously designed without birdlike claws and unlike birds, had a vertical tail.

I now have to rewrite the image function as a template to see if that will work, e.g., {{Image|Spaceship EarthView.jpg|alignment|size|caption}}

And if you are using the Pinkwich5 skin (I don't which is why I put the yellow background around the above examples) here it is again:

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A picture of the Earth and Moon from space. NASA photograph.

Attempts by humans to travel above Earth's surface had been made for hundreds of years. Evidence of mankind's serious study of flight was discovered in 1898 in an Egyptian tomb in the form of a winged wooden model, dated 200 BC, that reportedly was truly a flyable model, curiously designed without birdlike claws and unlike birds, had a vertical tail.

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I'm not sure how this looks on your browser, but on Opera and Google chrome it's simply horrendous. Still, if it works for your other-wiki needs, go right ahead.

Well maybe in Opera. This page looks pretty much the same in Chrome. The first flights page, I had to scale up the page until the images looked right. I have to scale up everything on the web anyway because you young people make everything so small here in cyberspace. But I see what you meant. I also found out that Chrome won't load my site's changes to the monobook skin, so I'm stuck with the crappy WP presentation through chrome. And on pages that have a lot of images, they tend to pile up across the screen and push text around. No, it's not the perfect solution, but it's better than these white holes in the page. But, if I can't get my changes to monobook to take, this is all pointless.

Here's what it looks like in Opera

and Chrome

Admittedly, Chrome at least has the text under the pic, but wouldn't it be better with a frame? The text below the pic without a frame makes them seem almost, almost, unconnected. Drew R. Smith 04:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I'd like a frame too. But my job queue length right now is enormous. Russell D. Jones

Pinkwich5 Skin

For anyone who is in the know: How does the Pinkwich5 skin get the gradient backgrounds? I can get the Gray-to-white background to work fine in the outside (header and menu) space. But my gradient for the white-to-gray background in the text space stops halfway down a page. See this example. Any advice? Thanks. Russell D. Jones 15:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Where do I get the Pinkwich skin? I guess if I had that, some of my problems would be solved.

Go to "my preferences" at the top of your pages, click on "Skin" and make your selection. Be sure to read the Note at the bottom of the list of skins.

Personally, I use IE6 as my browser and the Monobook skin and there is no visible white space around any photos or other images. Milton Beychok 15:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's because the both the whitespace and the monobook text space are both white. But in the Pinkwich skin, the text space is not white; it is a gradient.

Um, that wasn't my question. Where to I acquire the pinkwich skin so that I can install it on my own mediawiki site? That's my question (I think). A google search gives me a lot of discussion about it but no purveyor. Russell D. Jones 15:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The example you showed occurs when there's a problem in the .css file for the skin. I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly what the problem is without looking at the file (and maybe not even then), but I would guess that the gradient is set to go to a certain number of pixels, instead of a certain percent of the page. I've looked at other pages, and on the shorter ones the problem doesn't occur, or if it does, it's much closer to the bottom. Drew R. Smith 04:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

One other thing. I've recently learned how to do some digital image restoration, so if you (or anyone else) wants an image "tuned-up" give me a shout. I took the liberty of doing a small restoration of the flying machine blueprints, but I could do a much better job with a svg png or tiff image. The most noticeable difference is the rotation of the pic isn't off anymore. I also did a little patching up around the edges, where the rotation distorted some of the color. Take a look and tell me what you think.

Drew R. Smith 05:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I found a better source image for the file and did a minor restoration on that one.

Drew R. Smith 06:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Charter drafting candidacy

Hi Russell,

Thanks for accepting your nomination to be a candidate for election to the drafting committee for the Citizendium charter.

If you'd like, there is a provision in the plan that provides a place for you to compose a position statement. You are not required to do this in order to be a candidate for election to the committee, but it would be helpful to others during the voting period. Even if you don't compose a statement before the election period concludes, should you be elected it might be helpful for other members of the committee to know what you feel are the most important issues to address with the draft. You can find a red link to the page where you can write your statement here, along with instructions for doing so.

If you have any questions, just let me know. --Joe Quick 15:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Article approvals sought

Hi - I have done as much as I can with two articles, Scarborough Castle and Great Siege of Scarborough Castle (specifically the versions here and here), and am looking to move these articles into 'approved' status. I made sure to use only authoritative sources (published books, English Heritage castle literature, things like that). Can you have a look and see if you feel that there is anything preventing them being approved? Thanks. John Stephenson 06:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

another article to consider for approval

First, thanks for getting Scarborough Castle headed for approval. I announced the nomination on the History Workgroup mailing list with the hope that it will draw a little attention. I don't know how many people are actually signed up for that list, but it has to reach at least someone.

One goal of mine as Approvals Manager is to get at least one article in every workgroup approved, but there are several workgroups that don't have any approved articles yet. Linguistics is one of those. I think our best shot is Noah Webster, since it's also listed in History. It was originally a Wikipedia import, so it might need a little work, but I think we could find someone to give it a little attention if necessary. What do you think? --Joe (Approvals Manager) 04:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I've gone over it, cleaned it up a bit, but there are problems. See Talk:Noah Webster. But I have a larger prejudice in that I'm very reluctant to approve something that has been written someplace else. Russell D. Jones 00:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

"Britain, history"- dispute over title

I should appreciate your intervention to resolve the dispute that has developed concerning the title of the article on Britain, history. I fear that the recent alteration will strike readers as absurd. Nick Gardner 22:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Nick Gardner 22:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I hope that it meets with your approval. You've put a lot of effort into the article over the past years or so. Russell D. Jones 23:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I am afraid that it hadn't occurred to me that "Britain" can be taken to exclude Northern Ireland. My fellow - English contacts do not interpret it that way in colloquial conversation, but it seems that Ulstermen do - and, on reflection, I have to admit that strictly speaking they are right. (I believe that the derivation of "Britain" goes back to the Romans - who did not invade Ireland). Anyway, I am sure that you have made the right choice, and I should welcome any other criticisms of the article that you have time to make.Nick Gardner 11:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Is school out for the summer?

Good to see your name poppin up! D. Matt Innis 22:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Russell D. Jones

Great Siege of Scarborough Castle

Hi, Russell. I am calling it editor help about this article - there there is some discussion of whether and how to approve it here. Can you find any problems or reasons not to proceed? Thanks. John Stephenson 09:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I've looked it over and sent you my comments. Russell D. Jones 12:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Britain

(writing here as I'm getting system error messages on my talk page)

To the best of my recollection, I wrote it from scratch after an ... exchange of views ... with Jensen. Actually, I first wrote a BoB section in radar, and also may have written integrated air defense system and suppression of enemy air defense.

These days, I consciously don't even look at the WP article when I start an article; I may not have kept such a "firewall" then.

It would be nice to move toward Approval, and perhaps even some of the Related Articles, both the technical and historical. I do see some new error messages that might be due to the software changes. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Approvals

I.  I'm starting the Approval process for the revision of Richard Hofstadter, and made a bunch of minor editorial revisions. Please read and let me know if you have any problems with them. I tried not to change any content, just concentrate on syntax, except that i made substantial changes to the handling of the first and last sentences. Let me know if you have a problem with this (or better yet, change them back if I've messed up the meaning). I'm waiting to hear from Constable Matt about the procedure, and then, as noted, Howard will join me in recommending it.

II.  I will get Edwin E. Witte started toward Approval also. Would you care to see if you might approve Arthur J. Altmeyer?

We might also ask Howard if he would care to join either or both? Roger A. Lohmann 18:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Update

I just heard from Matt. He interprets my contributions as authorial as well, but recommends a three-editor solution, in which you and I and Howard all join in the Approval this time. Since the article was originated by Richard Jensen, that makes sense to me. I think I will post the permalink to the current version and a note on the Talk Page indicating I recommend it for approval. If you and Howard can add your assent on the Talk Page, we should be home free. (Or, if you have any problems with the latest version, we can revise, update the link and then indicate approval. Roger A. Lohmann 19:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

History of geniuses

Hi Russell, just stumbled upon this and thought it may be of interest to you. --Daniel Mietchen 21:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Heh! In my case, I've never considered it a problem! Russell D. Jones 21:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Please check Glass-Steagall Act of 1932

Please check the lede changes I made here. I'm not a professional economist, but I see the repeal of most of Glass-Steagall by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act as the start of a slide to today's chaos.

A credit-default swap is not unreasonable as long as it is adequately collateralized (not quite the word I want) by the participants. The crisis came about partially because new financial instruments were being created in an environment where no regulation applied, and there was no one to ask the question, "are these being designed on an overly optimistic model?" Howard C. Berkowitz 09:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Howard, I'm going to revert your edits on the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932 because I think you confused the 1932 act with the 1933 act of the same name. Please see my lede to the Glass-Steagall Act. Also the changes you made were already covered in the "Later History" section of Glass-Steagall Act and the Banking Act of 1933. Russell D. Jones 13:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

From what I understand, only two paragraphs of GSA (the Banking Act) were repealed by GLBA (albeit, those two paragraphs were substantially the main points of GSA); so it would be inappropriate to say "... repeal of most of ...." I have no idea how/why the current fiasco started, but am sure that the gold standard had nothing to do with it (as it did in 1929). Russell D. Jones 12:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

OK. Didn't realize there were two acts.

Why did the current fiasco take place? May I suggest confusing the more exotic financial instrument market with a casino, a casino with incompetent bookies who didn't close bets when they could no longer cover the spread? Howard C. Berkowitz 13:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops!

I forgot I wasn't a constable anymore! I deleted your charter page :O D. Matt Innis 02:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

That's okay. I'm glad someone did it; I've got a second RFD out there, too. Russell D. Jones 02:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Federal Reserve notes

In order to make your recent "Federal Reserve notes/Definition" work as a lemma article, should the older "Federal Reserve notes" (which says "moolah" etc.) now be speedydeleted so that the new definition will show up where appropriate? Bruce M. Tindall 18:13, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not partial to it. Do with it as you please. Moolah is a place holder. It would be best, though, if you replaced moolah with some copy about Federal Reserve notes. I'm sure you can add a couple of sentences off the top of your head. Best, Russell D. Jones 18:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. Now, when do I get my free samples? Bruce M. Tindall 19:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

You're on your own there, fella! Just remember your friends when you get them. Russell D. Jones 18:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

No problems

No problems here and thanks for asking. Have a super day!Mary Ash 22:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

History editor input needed

If you wish to comment on this content dispute please add your comments to the Mengele content page.

There is a complex controversy over appropriate terminology and neutrality policy starting in the article on Josef Mengele and spilling over to War crime and perhaps other places I am not aware of. Input from history editors might be helpful. Sandy Harris 03:20, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I don't see the problem with War crime. Mengele is going to take some time to read and it's time for me to punch the clock, so I'll have to do it tomorrow. Russell D. Jones 03:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

To see the problem with war crime, you'd need to look at the history, talk page, & talk page archive. Sandy Harris 04:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. It seems that War crime has resolved itself. I don't see any issues with the current text. I'd say start from there. Russell D. Jones 13:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Formatting tables

Dunno what you were giving up on, but at least when using Monobook, clicking on the penultimate icon in the edit window will give you the code for a simple table that displays correctly. A search for "wikitable" brings up more variations on the theme. --Daniel Mietchen 07:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

It's contextual, actually. Russell D. Jones 23:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Your giving up is contextual? You give up on your biography, then? --Joe Quick 17:35, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedydelete of Chase Osborn

Hi, Russell -- Before I speedydelete your honorable Guv, let me ask this: I have e-access to a couple of brief bios of Osborn published in the Michigan Historical Collections series (which apparently is/was produced by the U. of Mich.). How would it be if I volunteered to insert citations for everything in your article that can be confirmed by those sources, and delete everything else. It seems a shame to completely delete an article about a leading political figure that's already there. But you're the editor, so if you think it's best to just delete it, please let me know and I'll do so. Thanks. Bruce M. Tindall 15:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)