https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:DavidGoodman&feed=atom&action=historyUser talk:DavidGoodman - Revision history2024-03-29T11:27:45ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.5https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:DavidGoodman&diff=8823&oldid=previmported>Daniel Mietchen: /* Welcome back */2011-02-04T01:40:53Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Welcome back</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Daniel Mietchenhttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:DavidGoodman&diff=90521&oldid=previmported>Daniel Mietchen: /* Welcome back */2011-02-04T01:40:38Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Welcome back</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:While I don't have a specific request, there are some ongoing discussions, on the EC wiki, about both the classification of knowledge here as well as the meaning of expertise. It's fairly clear that the existing Workgroup system doesn't serve us well, but there's no single approach to replace it. While I've had my days with AACR2, that isn't it either. You may have ideas. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 15:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>:While I don't have a specific request, there are some ongoing discussions, on the EC wiki, about both the classification of knowledge here as well as the meaning of expertise. It's fairly clear that the existing Workgroup system doesn't serve us well, but there's no single approach to replace it. While I've had my days with AACR2, that isn't it either. You may have ideas. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 15:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::I've just seen what I consider the extremely unfortunate [http://ec.citizendium.org/wiki/EC:PR-2010-013 resolution against importing articles from Wikipedia], the details of which I find at [[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles]], and I am therefore extremely unlikely to participate very much in article writing here, though I still intend to look at correcting errors, and possibly reviewing submitted articles as an editor. One of the things I disagreed with Larry about , was his decision to not automatically use Wikipedia articles as a backup for topics that did not yet have Citizendium articles. My reason was basically that they would be a good start on making better articles of our own, as an initial effort, and , much more important, why would anyone use preferentially use an encyclopedia with articles on only a few thousand topics, where they stood an excellent chance of ''not'' finding what they were looking for. </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::I joined both encyclopedias simultaneously, and my intention was to work simultaneously on both, in improving articles there so they could also be used here with the necessary modification; I have long known that I am more skilled at editing text than writing it ''de novo''. I did not in the end do much of that here, because of some other problems, including the difficulties over the non-conforming copyrights. I find it regrettable that now that the copyrights are compatible, advantage is not being taken of this, but rather the opposite. I notice that the motion was passed without extended argument. I think it illustrates the dangers of a closed community. When I was on the original editorial council, I found myself in a small minority on almost every motion, and did not feel comfortable in a group that was so different from myself. I had hoped that the divergence in approach might have changed, but I see otherwise. </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I've just seen what I consider the extremely unfortunate [http</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">//ec.citizendium.org/wiki/EC:PR-2010-013 resolution against importing articles from </del>Wikipedia<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]</del>, the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">details </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which I find at [[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to </del>Citizendium <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">articles]]</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and I am therefore extremely unlikely to participate very much in article writing here</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">though I still intend </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">look at correcting errors, and possibly reviewing submitted articles as an editor</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> One </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the things </del>I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">disagreed with Larry about , was his decision </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not automatically use Wikipedia articles as a backup for topics </del>that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">did not yet have </del>Citizendium <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">articles. My reason was basically that they would </del>be <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a good start on making better articles of our own, as an initial effort, and , much </del>more <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">important, why would anyone use preferentially use an encyclopedia with articles on only a few thousand topics, where they stood an excellent chance of ''not'' finding what they were looking for. </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">At </ins>Wikipedia, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">especially on its mailing lists, I have supported very strongly </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">continuing existence and growth </ins>of Citizendium, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">at least as a competitor</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">putting pressure on Wikipedia </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">improve its standards</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In terms </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">an editorial model, </ins>I<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'m conventional enough </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">think </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the editorial control of </ins>Citizendium <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">might </ins>be more <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">suited to high-quality content</ins>, and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nothing at Wikipedia since then has caused me to change </ins>my <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mind </ins>on <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this. But </ins>there <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are merits to having an encyclopedia </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for general use which </ins>is not <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">necessarily </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">scholarly quality</ins>, but <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as comprehensive as </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">availability of sourcing permits</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">At Wikipedia, there have recently been some discussions on trying to have some degree of centralized editorial control</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins>I<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'ve been opposing </ins>it <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there, as being contradictory to </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">distinctive strengths </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wikipedia</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which lie </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the direction of the flexibility </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">wide range of content possible under its near-anarchy</ins>. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">At Wikipedia, especially on its mailing lists, I have supported very strongly </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">continuing existence </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">growth of Citizendium, at least </del>as a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">competitor, putting pressure on </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wikipedia to improve its standards</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In terms </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">an editorial model</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I'm conventional enough </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">think </del>that the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">editorial control of </del>Citizendium <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">might be more suited to high-quality content, and nothing at Wikipedia since then has caused me to change my mind on this</del>. But <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there are merits to having an encyclopedia for general use which is </del>not <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">necessarily of scholarly quality, but as comprehensive as the availability of sourcing permits</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">At Wikipedia</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there have recently been some discussions on trying to have some degree of centralized editorial control. I've been opposing it there, as being contradictory to the distinctive strengths of Wikipedia, which lie in the direction of the flexibility and wide range of content possible under its near-anarchy. </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:There is no meaning to expertise except that it is what other people respect as such; it often but not always can overlap with formal credentials. Citizendium does not seem to recognize that even </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">highest </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">most formal credentials </ins>as a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">subject expert does not </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">imply expertise as a writer or editor</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">As for the nature </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">workgroups</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the proposal </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">redefine it so </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">editorships are general as suggested in [http://ec.citizendium.org/wiki/Editorships Editorships] seems very reasonable--</ins>the Citizendium <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">system needs some flexibility</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins>But <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I do </ins>not <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">see any place where I could comment</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:DavidGoodman|DavidGoodman]] 19:57</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">3 February 2011 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">There is no meaning to expertise except that it is what other people respect as such; it often but not always can overlap with formal credentials. Citizendium does not seem to recognize that even the highest and most formal credentials as a subject expert does not imply expertise as a writer or editor. </del>As for the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nature of workgroups</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the proposal to redefine it so that editorships are general as suggested in </del>[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">http</del>:/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">/ec</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">citizendium</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">org/wiki/Editorships Editorships] seems very reasonable</del>--<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Citizendium system needs some flexibility. But I do not see any place where I could comment. </del>[[User:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">DavidGoodman</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">DavidGoodman</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">19</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">57</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">3 </del>February 2011 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::</ins>As for the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">resolution on importing materials</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I am working on a [</ins>[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Daniel Mietchen</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">PR-2010-013|suggestion for a rephrased versiong]]</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Feel free to join in there</ins>. --[[User:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Daniel Mietchen</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Daniel Mietchen</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">01</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">40</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">4 </ins>February 2011 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
</table>imported>Daniel Mietchenhttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:DavidGoodman&diff=90525&oldid=previmported>DavidGoodman: /* Welcome back */2011-02-03T19:57:13Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Welcome back</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Joshua Choihttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:DavidGoodman&diff=90512&oldid=previmported>Joe Quick: /* biochemistry article ready for approval */2009-03-29T14:05:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">biochemistry article ready for approval</span></span></p>
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