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==SCE as a creole== | ==SCE as a creole== | ||
I have discussed this issue with [http://www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg Anthea Fraser Gupta], a leading expert in [[creole language]]s and particularly Singapore Colloquial English. She tells me that there is little evidence that SCE is a creole; rather it's a mixed variety. It never went through a proper [[pidgin language|pidgin]] stage. I also contacted [http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/staff/mark/index.htm Mark Sebba], another well-known creolist, and he didn't support the creole view either. So in the long term I intend to move this page away from making the claim, as found throughout much of the Internet, that SCE is a creole. | I have discussed this issue with [http://www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg Anthea Fraser Gupta], a leading expert in [[creole language]]s and particularly Singapore Colloquial English. She tells me that there is little evidence that SCE is a creole; rather it's a mixed variety. It never went through a proper [[pidgin language|pidgin]] stage. I also contacted [http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/staff/mark/index.htm Mark Sebba], another well-known creolist, and he didn't support the creole view either. So in the long term I intend to move this page away from making the claim, as found throughout much of the Internet, that SCE is a creole. | ||
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Also, I don't want to sound like a crusty old fuddy-duddy, but if you examine the talk page and logs for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish Wikipedia version] of this page, you'll find that it was mostly written by a 17-year-old who hasn't studied the subject as yet in a higher education institution. Now, don't get me wrong; in many ways it's a nice page, and more power to him for spreading knowledge. But there really is very little evidence for the creolist view. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 00:08, 14 February 2007 (CST) | Also, I don't want to sound like a crusty old fuddy-duddy, but if you examine the talk page and logs for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish Wikipedia version] of this page, you'll find that it was mostly written by a 17-year-old who hasn't studied the subject as yet in a higher education institution. Now, don't get me wrong; in many ways it's a nice page, and more power to him for spreading knowledge. But there really is very little evidence for the creolist view. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 00:08, 14 February 2007 (CST) | ||
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== | This article should be retitled as 'Singaporean English' to reflect the nationality tag. - ([[User:Aidan Work|Aidan Work]] 04:39, 19 February 2007 (CST)) | ||
:The majority of researchers refer to it as 'Singapore English', i.e. the varieties of English spoken in [[Singapore]]. If you do a Google search, this is far more common than the alternative. Could put in a redirect, though. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 21:16, 19 February 2007 (CST) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:23, 14 November 2007
SCE as a creole
I have discussed this issue with Anthea Fraser Gupta, a leading expert in creole languages and particularly Singapore Colloquial English. She tells me that there is little evidence that SCE is a creole; rather it's a mixed variety. It never went through a proper pidgin stage. I also contacted Mark Sebba, another well-known creolist, and he didn't support the creole view either. So in the long term I intend to move this page away from making the claim, as found throughout much of the Internet, that SCE is a creole.
Also, I don't want to sound like a crusty old fuddy-duddy, but if you examine the talk page and logs for the Wikipedia version of this page, you'll find that it was mostly written by a 17-year-old who hasn't studied the subject as yet in a higher education institution. Now, don't get me wrong; in many ways it's a nice page, and more power to him for spreading knowledge. But there really is very little evidence for the creolist view. John Stephenson 00:08, 14 February 2007 (CST)
This should be retitled
This article should be retitled as 'Singaporean English' to reflect the nationality tag. - (Aidan Work 04:39, 19 February 2007 (CST))
- The majority of researchers refer to it as 'Singapore English', i.e. the varieties of English spoken in Singapore. If you do a Google search, this is far more common than the alternative. Could put in a redirect, though. John Stephenson 21:16, 19 February 2007 (CST)