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 Definition The study of the change in the size, density, distribution and composition of human populations over time. [d] [e]
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Richard: your link to your own resource doesn't work! --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 10:55, 30 May 2007 (CDT)Also, could we abbreviate the section on Malthus slightly, and refer the reader to the page Malthusianism, instead of the detail being here? --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 11:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

oops--fixed the link. I will shorten the Malthus section Richard Jensen 11:18, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Richard, I have the best recent population stats from UN and UNDP. It is better to avoid the CIA world factbook. I started to put the population data on a testpage for all countries [Countries of the World] but we need to include some demographic data too. The question is whther to have a special page of data attached to Demography, or link to a new Countries of the World page with a lot of data. Your thoughts? By hte way, if you can give me an email address, I will email some Excel files to you...--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 12:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

thanks--i'm at Richard Jensen 15:09, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Sent! --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 15:40, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

tables and images

Having the demographic as in line text is not great. I am not great at Adobe illustrator but I have the program and I will see what I can do in turning that text into images that we can put on the page laid out with text around them. Wish me luck and don't make fun of me. (too much) Nancy Sculerati 12:20, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Help! I uploaded [1] I can't get it to show up. Can you help? Nancy Sculerati 12:33, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I think you have to wikify tables. I will try to do this with the UN data, which I have already put on Countries of the World. Give me 20 minutes to try it!--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 13:06, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

But it'ds just a gif- it shouldn't matter what's on it. Nancy Sculerati 13:37, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, I have tried to paste the text, which also has links to country pages. It is impossible to do this easily, and as you can see the columns are not good. Can someone with this technical knowledge please help?, because it is very unprofessional in appearance.. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 13:40, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Other possible sections or linked articles

I have added demography and migration, which is of some note in that countries in different pahses of the demographic transistion could complement each other with emigration and immigration [but don't] and the UN has taken a position on promoting that. There is also a whole range of missing articles on migration issues, which I suppose I should at least start!

I note that we refer a lot to "fertility" but there is no real explanation of it. Perhaps a linked article on fertlity, along with some figures on current fertility rates in various countries? This would also be useful for your article on the demographic transition, Richard. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 19:43, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

change cats

let's change category from "Health sciences workgroup" to History. There's a lot of history here and no almost no medicine. (It's in Health Sciences because of a dispute with Nancy re "demography" as a category.) Richard Jensen 19:21, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

Well, we don't have Demography as a workgroup, by common agreement. I have no objection to History being included, but we have to throw out one other category. I am inclined to retain Health sciences for this article because there is some of that content. So we have to choose between removing economics or sociology. But one question: does it really matter? what are the implications? --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 19:30, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
I would recommend 1=sociology 2 history 3 economics and 4 health sciences (but there the article fits poorly with the others in that group). It matters because as the current discussion of core articles suggests, CZ is defining itself by its coverage. I want to appeal to demographic historians in particular with the argument that CZ has made a start in their direction. All sociology departments teach demography, so it's #1. Richard Jensen 20:57, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
Hmm, if you insist on this reasoning, I suggest deleting economics and including health sciences for this article [although it used to be viewed as a part of economics in Europe, I think].--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 22:13, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
If you insist on health science--but look at the articles there.--the fit isn't good. Richard Jensen 22:30, 9 October 2007 (CDT)