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imported>Meg Taylor at 07:53, 6 March 2016
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imported>Meg Taylor
https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Applied_Consciousness_Sciences&diff=835647&oldid=prev
imported>Peter Schmitt: /* The text that replaces the article is speculative and commentaries only view from an "evidence based" perspective */ reply
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imported>Peter Schmitt
https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Applied_Consciousness_Sciences&diff=835644&oldid=prev
imported>Carlo Monsanto: /* The text that replaces the article is speculative and commentaries only view from an "evidence based" perspective */
2011-10-23T13:53:56Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thank you Peter for your comments. I agree that not many articles have been written by third-parties, and those that have are in Dutch. Many aren't scientific as per the definition of scientific community. But, then again, ACS cannot be compared to conventional science. Applied Consciousness Sciences, sciences with an "s", presents a field consisting <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">on </del>many different approaches. These approaches, of which some have been in existence for hundreds of year, lack visibility in our society. The name ACS tries to bring all of these approaches together. That which brings them together, the view, theory and common practice, might be called a CC 'project'. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thank you Peter for your comments. I agree that not many articles have been written by third-parties, and those that have are in Dutch. Many aren't scientific as per the definition of scientific community. But, then again, ACS cannot be compared to conventional science. Applied Consciousness Sciences, sciences with an "s", presents a field consisting <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of </ins>many different approaches. These approaches, of which some have been in existence for hundreds of year, lack visibility in our society. The name ACS tries to bring all of these approaches together. That which brings them together, the view, theory and common practice, might be called a CC 'project'. </div></td></tr>
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imported>Carlo Monsanto
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imported>Carlo Monsanto: /* The text that replaces the article is speculative and commentaries only view from an "evidence based" perspective */
2011-10-23T13:52:20Z
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thank you Peter for your comments. I agree that not many articles have been written by third-parties, and those that have are in Dutch. Many aren't scientific as per the definition of scientific community. But, then again, ACS cannot be compared to conventional science. Applied Consciousness Sciences, sciences with an "s", presents a field consisting on many different approaches. These approaches, of which some have been in existence for hundreds of year, lack visibility in our society. The name ACS tries to bring all of these approaches together. That which brings them together, the view, theory and common practice, might be called a CC 'project'. </ins></div></td></tr>
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imported>Carlo Monsanto
https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Applied_Consciousness_Sciences&diff=835651&oldid=prev
imported>Peter Schmitt: /* The text that replaces tthe article is speculative and commentaries only view from an "evidence based" perspective */ reply, on the main problem
2011-10-23T12:06:32Z
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When you look at the "Occupy movement" what you see is nonlogical, non-methodical, non-hierarchical, chaotic, new, emerging, non-reductionist, holistic, global, transformational, ... a breakthrough. Look at the uprising in the Middle East. The "Shift movement" and many other movements are slowly breaching through the conventional. How is this related to Applied Consciousness Sciences? ACS describes how one can organize without relying on hierarchy, how to recognize new emerging patterns, how to recognize the power of different approaches and living traditions that practically lead to personal, organizational and social transformation. It doesn't prescribe an externally imposed change but change that comes from a deeper realization, it doesn't even promote a meditational practice. What does it do? It does describe a way of seeing beyond the reality that we have captured in our thought patterns. This is what grassroots movements like "Occupy" and "The Shift" do. </ins></div></td></tr>
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imported>Peter Schmitt
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imported>Peter Schmitt: removal notice
2011-10-19T12:11:20Z
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imported>Peter Schmitt
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imported>Peter Schmitt: moved Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences to Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences/Archive 1: archive talk after Removal (blanking)
2011-10-19T11:58:39Z
<p>moved <a href="/wiki/Talk:Applied_Consciousness_Sciences" title="Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences">Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Applied_Consciousness_Sciences/Archive_1" title="Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences/Archive 1">Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences/Archive 1</a>: archive talk after Removal (blanking)</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>#REDIRECT [[Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences/Archive 1]]</div>
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