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:::::A man from Mars, reading "death" could easily think that she passed away peacefully from old age. I think that in this case that there is simply too much causal correlation: there are bullets fired into her; there is a powerful blast that kills twenty people; she dies. As Emerson famously wrote, "If you see a trout swimming in a barrel of milk, there is presumptive evidence that the milk was watered." [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:24, 31 December 2007 (CST) | :::::A man from Mars, reading "death" could easily think that she passed away peacefully from old age. I think that in this case that there is simply too much causal correlation: there are bullets fired into her; there is a powerful blast that kills twenty people; she dies. As Emerson famously wrote, "If you see a trout swimming in a barrel of milk, there is presumptive evidence that the milk was watered." [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:24, 31 December 2007 (CST) | ||
::::::Is there a phrase for implying "caused death" as a result of an event enabler? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:31, 31 December 2007 (CST) | ::::::Is there a phrase for implying "caused death" as a result of an event enabler? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:31, 31 December 2007 (CST) | ||
:::::::Sure: "assassination". Or we could ask Larry, the resident Philosophy King.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:33, 31 December 2007 (CST) | |||
Revision as of 14:33, 31 December 2007
Really, the death of Bhutto should be called assassination, as she did not "pass away" as the text implies. Martin Baldwin-Edwards 12:40, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- I swear, I haven't drunk a single drop yet. --Robert W King 12:44, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- Also, I'm not so sure that it should be labeled an assassination yet; there was no autopsy performed of the body to determine if a bullet had indeed been inside of her skull, and the police pretty much seized her after she arrived at the medical examiners. IMO, the jury is still out even though there is video evidence that has the quality of the zapruder film. --Robert W King 12:47, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- The NYT said yesterday that an autopsy showed that her skull was fractured by the force of the blast that threw her against the lever on her sunroof. If that isn't an assassination, I don't know what it could possibly be called. "Accidental death"?
- As far as I've read today, there has been no official autopsy (the body has not been exhumed), so I would just call it "death"; whether it was accidental (say, an attempt to escape the blast or gunfire), or purposeful/assassination (she was actually shot). --Robert W King 13:20, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- A man from Mars, reading "death" could easily think that she passed away peacefully from old age. I think that in this case that there is simply too much causal correlation: there are bullets fired into her; there is a powerful blast that kills twenty people; she dies. As Emerson famously wrote, "If you see a trout swimming in a barrel of milk, there is presumptive evidence that the milk was watered." Hayford Peirce 13:24, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- Is there a phrase for implying "caused death" as a result of an event enabler? --Robert W King 13:31, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- Sure: "assassination". Or we could ask Larry, the resident Philosophy King.... Hayford Peirce 13:33, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- Is there a phrase for implying "caused death" as a result of an event enabler? --Robert W King 13:31, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- A man from Mars, reading "death" could easily think that she passed away peacefully from old age. I think that in this case that there is simply too much causal correlation: there are bullets fired into her; there is a powerful blast that kills twenty people; she dies. As Emerson famously wrote, "If you see a trout swimming in a barrel of milk, there is presumptive evidence that the milk was watered." Hayford Peirce 13:24, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- As far as I've read today, there has been no official autopsy (the body has not been exhumed), so I would just call it "death"; whether it was accidental (say, an attempt to escape the blast or gunfire), or purposeful/assassination (she was actually shot). --Robert W King 13:20, 31 December 2007 (CST)
- The NYT said yesterday that an autopsy showed that her skull was fractured by the force of the blast that threw her against the lever on her sunroof. If that isn't an assassination, I don't know what it could possibly be called. "Accidental death"?
- Also, I'm not so sure that it should be labeled an assassination yet; there was no autopsy performed of the body to determine if a bullet had indeed been inside of her skull, and the police pretty much seized her after she arrived at the medical examiners. IMO, the jury is still out even though there is video evidence that has the quality of the zapruder film. --Robert W King 12:47, 31 December 2007 (CST)