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Citizendium welcomes Wikipedia contributors. Many members of Citizendium have experience in editing at Wikipedia, and have joined this project to try a different model of content development. In the past, Citizendium experimented with multiple collaborative models, and not everything was successful. Please read about who we are these days.

Please read We aren't Wikipedia. Many of Wikipedia's policies either do not apply here or have been modified. After that, feel free to contribute boldly.

Subpages

Subpages are used on all Citizendium articles to expand article content; see our list of subpage types. Note how we have replaced "List of" articles with catalogs.

How to ask for help

Questions can be asked in the Forum or from Citizendium's "community managers" or "Sysops". Our managers and sysops oversee adherence to basic policies, settle behavioral problems, and address content problems only if there is a violation of policy. They also review applications and create new accounts.

Images

Any type of open content licensed images are allowable and preferred. Images from Wikimedia Commons can be used directly in this wiki. Images from other image banks must pass a two-pronged test before you upload them to Citizendium. Fully copyrighted images are allowable in Citizendium ONLY if you place proof of permission in a Permission subpage of the image's talk page and link to it. Images lacking clear copyright data may be subject to removal. See Images Help on Copyrights.

Importing from Wikipedia to Citizendium

If you wish to import material from Wikipedia, see Article Mechanics and How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles.

And from Citizendium to Wikipedia

Since Wikipedia changed its license to CC-BY-SA 3.0, it can use material from Citizendium. A workgroup has been formed there, WikiProject Citizendium Porting, to coordinate this.

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-'''Welcome Wikipedians and ex-Wikipedians!'''
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-''Before'' you [[CZ:How_to_get_started_with_the_Citizendium_pilot#Be_bold.21|be bold]] and start contributing, please read this document ''all the way through''.  By doing so, you can be sure that your work at Citizendium will get off on the right foot, and that you won't run into any unexpected snags.
+Citizendium welcomes Wikipedia contributors.  Many members of [[Citizendium]] have experience in editing at [[Wikipedia]], and have joined this project to try a different model of content development.  In the past, Citizendium experimented with multiple collaborative models, and not everything was successful.  Please read about [[CZ:About|who we are these days]].
-There are some very important "do's and dont's" that Wikipedians in particular may have to bear in mind. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] either do not apply here or have been fundamentally altered.  We have our own ways of doing things, you might say.  At the same time, some of Citizendium's policies are remarkably similar to Citizendium's. But which are which?
+<big>Please read [[CZ:We aren't Wikipedia|We aren't Wikipedia]]</big>. Many of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] either do not apply here or have been modified. After that, feel free to contribute [[CZ:Be Bold|boldly]].
-<BR><BR>
-== What Citizendium is NOT ==
+== Subpages ==
-There are many thing Citizendium is not, but the main thing we want to get across is that '''Citizendium is NOT a mirror of Wikipedia'''. Absolutely do not simply copy content from Wikipedia to Citizendium without working on it. If you wish to import material from Wikipedia, it must be because you have immediate plans to improve it.  See [[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles|How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles]] for directions.
+[[CZ:Subpages|Subpages]] are used on all Citizendium articles to expand article content; see our [[CZ:Subpages#List_of_subpage_types|list of subpage types]].  Note how we have replaced "List of" articles with [[CZ:Catalogs|catalogs]].
-'''Exception:''' If you are the primary author or manager of an article or class of articles (e.g., about vipers or astrophysics) and you intend to continue your work on and maintenance of the article(s) here.  In such a case, place a note to that effect at the top of the article talk page(s); otherwise, your imports are apt to be deleted.
+== How to ask for help ==
+Questions can be asked in the [[Forum:Home|Forum]] or from Citizendium's "community managers" or "Sysops".  Our managers and sysops oversee adherence to basic policies, settle ''behavioral'' problems, and address content problems only if there is a violation of policy.  They also review applications and create new accounts.
-== New and unfamiliar practices ==
-We have several practices that will be new and unfamiliar to Wikipedians:
-* '''The "Content is from Wikipedia?" tick-box.''' If any content of an article &mdash; even one sentence &mdash; came from Wikipedia and you aren't the sole author of that content, be absolutely sure you check the tick-box. It is just above the "Save page" button. There are multifarious reasons for why we must be completely above board in this matter.
-* '''The [[:Category:CZ Live]] category.''' Place it into articles you ''write from scratch''. ''Do not'' place it into articles you have copied from Wikipedia, ''unless'' you have made significant changes in at least three different places.  See [[:Category:CZ Live|the definition]] of "live".
-* '''The [[CZ:The Article Checklist|The Article Checklist]].''' Place it into all new articles.  You can help in the effort by participating in [[CZ:The Big Cleanup|The Big Cleanup]].
-* '''[[CZ:Workgroups|Workgroups]], Workgroup Category Tags, and Workgroup Recent Changes.'''
-The above new practices are things you can use every time you do work on the ''Citizendium.'' See [[CZ:We aren't Wikipedia|We aren't Wikipedia]] for other new practices.
-== Get ready to rethink how to write encyclopedia articles! ==
-You're probably used to well-developed Wikipedia articles being divided into many short sections, full of bulleted lists, and written in dense prose that shows off [http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/erudition erudition] more than really introducing a topic. Too often, it seems that Wikipedians write more for other Wikipedians than for someone who really needs a solid, lucid introduction to a topic.
-By contrast, we want ''Citizendium'' articles to be ''highly readable introductions'' written in ''compelling, narrative prose'' that really does the job of introducing a topic to people who need one.  This doesn't mean our articles will have less information or be more lightweight. Rather, it means we simplify the difficult, engage our readers, and allow writer's voice. In short, we make it hard for anyone to want to click away from an article until they have read it all the way through.
-For further information, see [[CZ:Article Mechanics|Article Mechanics]].  It will probably be a quite different take on writing encyclopedia articles than what most Wikipedians are used to. You might also want to have look at [[CZ:Sage_advice_on_writing_CZ_articles|Sage advice on writing CZ articles]], and a few examples among our [[:Category:Approved_Articles|approved articles]] while comparing them with their Wikipedia counterparts. Even some of our developing articles exhibit the difference we are talking about, e.g., our [[Anthropology]] article and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology Wikipedia's version].
-Notice also that we aren't putting contributor-oriented templates, such as Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutrality_templates neutrality templates], atop our articles.
-== Behaving like a pro ==
-The concept of ''professionalism'' richly captures the culture to which the Citizendium strives.  Our [[CZ:Professionalism|professionalism policy]] is our cornerstone behavior policy and is about much more than just our low tolerance for uncivil and disruptive behavior that can quickly result in permanent banning.  It is about our decided intent to create &mdash; and enforce &mdash; a respectful, pleasant, and productive working environment.  This is so even when contributors may be working out disagreements and critiquing others' work.
-'''Examples of unprofessional behaviors at Citizendium include:'''
-*'''Reverting others' work.''' We have a ''no-unexplained-revert rule''.  You must justify any reversion on the talk page and try to give others a chance to revert their own work.
-*'''Deletion of others' work without explanation.''' Deletion of more than 50 words can result in a warning, followed by a ban. Vandalism is excluded.
-*'''Attacks on another's moral character, or personal or professional credibility.''' This applies whether done with Citizendium or other resources.
-*'''Threats of any kind.''' You'll not only be banned by us but your local authorities will be contacted in serious cases.
-*'''Disrespectful characterization of another's work.'''  We critique it respectfully instead, even if it maybe really is bunk.
-*'''Retaliation when wronged.''' We [mailto:constables@citizendium.org call a constable] instead and refuse to let go unreported any offenses we see.
-Simply put, professional conduct is '''mandatory''' here. ''Professionalism'' is what differentiates our culture from that of many other Web 2.0 communities. And no one has to ''be'' a professional to ''act'' professionally.
-== Real names means real names &mdash; the preferences nickname box ==
-Part of behaving professionally is signing with your real name on the wiki.  Placing anything except for perhaps a more informal variant of your real name in the "nickname" box in your preferences breaks the spirit of our real names policy and is not allowed. Thus, if your user name is "Jonathan Walter Fields", ''acceptable'' uses of the nickname box would include "Jonathan Fields", "Jonathan W. Fields", "Jon W. Fields", "Jon Fields", "J. Walter Fields", and "Walt Fields", if that is what you usually go by. "Jonathan", "Jon", "Walt", and "J.F.W." are examples of not quite so good nicknames.  Anything that doesn't have your real name in it is entirely unacceptable; so, "SexyDude99" just won't fly. Constables warn users with unacceptable nicknames, instruct them that they may apply for a pseudonym, and then ban them if they fail to correct the name. See [[CZ:Policy_Outline#Policies_and_Procedures_for_Constables|Improper names in the preferences nickname box]].
-== Handling content disputes without "edit warring" ==
-Content disputes are inevitable, but we simply ''will not'' tolerate edit warring.  If you disagree with another participant, the first step is to discuss the matter on the talk page; if no satisfactory compromise can be reached, the next step is to ask an editor in the relevant area and with the relevant expertise to adjudicate.  We do plan to have a more sophisticated dispute resolution mechanism, but we haven't needed to implement it yet.  We've been quite successful at actually collaborating and compromising.
-== Our world is not flat &mdash; editors, authors, and constables ==
-At Wikipedia, everyone has the same role when it comes to making judgments about article content. Between competing citations and changing "consensus", disputes can seem unending. We think our system is an evolution to that model.
-;Editors
-You already know we make a special role for experts and that we respect them.  But this does not at all mean you cannot professionally argue your case with them; you most definitely should. We feel it is very freeing to have experts on-board who are empowered to make decisions amidst content disputes. Although you might be somewhat skeptical at this point, you'll probably find yourself heartily agreeing after a while &mdash; especially after you see your work appearing in articles that have been [[CZ:Approval_Process|approved]]!
-;Authors
-Editors are authors too, but what can authors do?  Almost everything. Authors can start new articles, edit existing articles, talk things over on the talk page, and much else. Authors work side-by-side with not only other authors, but with real experts in their field. And our editors aren't distant overseers looking down from the Olympian heights. To edit, editors must work shoulder-to-shoulder with authors and other editors. Contrary to some reports, [http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/28/we-aint-elitist/ we ain't elitist], but neither is our "world" completely flat.
-For more on author functions, please see [[CZ:Policy Outline#Authors_and_Authoring_Citizendium_Articles|Authors and Authoring Citizendium Articles]].
-;Constables
-[[:Category:CZ Constables|Our constables]] are Citizendium's "community managers" or "Sysops".  They oversee adherence to basic policies, and settle ''behavioral'' problems whereas ''editors'' settle ''content'' disputes.  Constables also review applications and create new accounts.  They operate within a "separation of powers" and are held to a strict conflict of interest policy. Constables ''may not'' act as constables in articles where they have acted as authors or editors.  All hold at least a bachelor's degree and are at least 25 years old.  For further information see [[CZ:Policy_Outline#Constabulary_Policy|Constabulary Policy]].
-Constables replace attacks of any kind with our <nowiki>{{civil}}</nowiki> template, which reads,
-:{{civil}}
-Attacks result in a warning or even a ban, depending on the case.
-Moreover, if you have any complaints to make about other users, no matter how well justified, please don't make them on the wiki.  Constables remove complaints and replace them with the <nowiki>{{nocomplaints}}</nowiki> template, which reads:
-:{{nocomplaints}}
-All of our constables are very friendly and helpful, but don't make the mistake of taking that to mean they play fast and loose with the rules.  They don't.  Constables only block ''permanently'', nothing less. For further information see [[CZ:Constabulary_Blocking_Procedures|Constabulary Blocking Procedures]].
-'''To "call a constable,"''' please email [mailto:constables@citizendium.com constables@citizendium.com].
 == Images ==
-''Any'' type of '''open content licensed images''' are allowable and preferred, although '''images from Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Commons''' must pass [[Help:Images#Images_from_Wikipedia_or_Wikimedia_Commons|a two-pronged test]] ''before'' you upload them to Citizendium. '''Fully copyrighted images''' are allowable in Citizendium if you place proof of permission in a Permission subpage of the image's talk page. We are still working out our policy on '''fair use of images''', ''so please withhold uploading fair use images until our policy is finalized.''
+''Any'' type of '''open content licensed images''' are allowable and preferred.  Images from '''[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images Wikimedia Commons]''' can be used directly in this wiki.  Images from other image banks must pass [[Help:Images#Images_from_Wikipedia.2C_Wikimedia_Commons.2C_Flickr.2C_Openphoto.net.2C_etc.|a two-pronged test]] ''before'' you upload them to Citizendium. '''Fully copyrighted images''' are allowable in Citizendium ONLY if you place proof of permission in a Permission subpage of the image's talk page and link to it.  Images lacking clear copyright data may be subject to removal.  See [[Help:Images#Copyrights|Images Help on Copyrights]].
-All images lacking clear copyright data are subject to [[CZ:Article Deletion Policy|speedy deletion by constables acting on their own recognizance]]. Citizendium editors will not nominate articles for approval if the status of their images is unclear.
-See [[Help:Images#Copyrights|Images Help on Copyrights]] for more detail.
-== Not categories and projects but workgroups ==
-Wikpedians self-organize into ''Projects'' whose foci are articles in certain ''categories''. Citizendium organizes authors and editors into [[CZ:Discipline_Workgroups|discipline workgroups]]. Editors are assigned their workgroups, while authors simply add themselves to whichever workgroups they choose.  You should join author workgroups straightway after your account has been created.
-== Article deletion policy ==
-The general rule about article deletion is that articles should be deleted if their continued existence would create more work and frustration, in the long run, for either contributors or users, than deleting them. This is the essence of our [[CZ:Maintainability| Maintainability policy]]. It is distinctly different from Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:N notability policy].
-Constables may delete articles that are not maintainable. Editor permission is required for deletion of other articles. See [[CZ:Article Deletion Policy]] for elaboration.
-== On stubs and lists ==
-At Wikipedia, creating lots of '''stubs''' is considered good practice. Someone will always come along and add to it &mdash; eventually.  At Citizendium, we ''prefer'' you start one or just a few articles, and concentrate on them until they are approved.
-At Wikipedia, creating '''lists''' of various types is acceptable. At Citizendium, we create articles first, and ''sometimes'' lists afterward.
-== Don't spill alphabet soup! &mdash; POV, RS, V, OR, etc. ==
-We wish to avoid having an insular, unintelligible community.  Accordingly, we don't use neologisms like "NPOV" and "POV", "RS", and "OR". Our [[User:Ruth_Ifcher|Chief Constable]] has made this a bannable offense, and we're not sure whether she's kidding or not. Just use plain English on top of wikilinks. Any page shortcuts you find (the one for this page is CZ:CZ4WP) are exclusively for your personal use.
-== Family friendly ==
+==Importing from Wikipedia to Citizendium==
-[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CENSOR#Wikipedia_is_not_censored Wikipedia is not censored] does not apply here.  We won't have as many articles about porn stars and sexual fetishes. Those we do have will be scholarly and tactful, and none will contain graphic photos.
+If you wish to import material from Wikipedia, see [[CZ:Article_Mechanics|Article Mechanics]] and [[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles|How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles]].
-== DON'T ignore all rules ==
+==And from Citizendium to Wikipedia==
-[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] wrote Wikipedia's original [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules Ignore all rules] policy as a way to encourage people to [[CZ:How_to_get_started_with_the_Citizendium_pilot#Be_bold.21|be bold]] and not sit on the sidelines just because they, for example, did not know [[CZ:How_to_Edit_the_Citizendium#Wiki_markup|wiki markup]] (you can have a look at [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_to_consider the original document]). Yet over time, Ignore All Rules has been interpreted to have a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AIgnore_all_rules&diff=70516723 "deep and subtle meaning"].
+Since Wikipedia changed its license to CC-BY-SA 3.0, it can use material ''from'' Citizendium. A workgroup has been formed there, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Citizendium_Porting WikiProject Citizendium Porting], to coordinate this.
-Simply put, if you attempt to ignore all rules on Citizendium, you will rapidly meet up with one of our constables. But please don't let a lack of confidence keep you sitting on the sidelines.
+== Further reading ==
+*The Citizendium [[CZ:Policies|Policies]].
+*[[CZ:We aren't Wikipedia|We aren't Wikipedia]]
+*[[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles|How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles]]
+*[[CZ:Essentials|Essentials]]
+*[[CZ:Article mechanics|Article Mechanics]]
-== For further reading ==
+{{Getting Started}} [[Category:Getting Started]]
-*[http://www.citizendium.org/fundamentals.html Citizendium's Statement of Fundamental Policies] - The document you endorsed before being granted Citizendium membership.
-*[[CZ:How_to_get_started_with_the_Citizendium_pilot#A_dozen_things_you_should_know_about|A dozen things you should know about]] - From [[CZ:How_to_get_started_with_the_Citizendium_pilot|How to get started with the Citizendium pilot]].

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