Archive:Should we permit or disallow commercial use of CZ-originated articles?: Revision history

31 August 2020

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• curprev 07:4307:43, 31 August 2020‎ imported>John Stephenson‎ m 38,661 bytes +1‎ John Stephenson moved page CZ:Should we permit or disallow commercial use of CZ-originated articles? to Archive:Should we permit or disallow commercial use of CZ-originated articles?: archiving old discussion

24 January 2008

• curprev 15:0015:00, 24 January 2008‎ imported>Yuval Langer‎ m 38,661 bytes +1‎ Moving Template:communication to the bottom of the page

15 September 2007

• curprev 13:3313:33, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,660 bytes +162‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.
• curprev 13:2913:29, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,498 bytes +79‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.
• curprev 13:2113:21, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,478 bytes −764‎ →‎Reply: Commercial use isn't necessary for competition.: Tightening up argument, and deleting problematic reply
• curprev 13:1713:17, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 39,242 bytes 0‎ Moving to bottom. This must be the worst argument for the affirmative
• curprev 12:1912:19, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 39,242 bytes +599‎ Argument: Commercial use facilitates competition. RENAMED: Argument: Commercial use would make it easier to fork the ''Citizendium.'' Uh, yeah. That's an ''affirmative'' argument?
• curprev 12:0212:02, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,643 bytes +90‎ →‎Reply: Many educational projects have sufficient contributors, and they don't even use a free license.
• curprev 11:5611:56, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,553 bytes −673‎ Deleted overspecialized, and very unpersuasive, arguments
• curprev 11:3711:37, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 39,226 bytes +552‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined.
• curprev 11:2911:29, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,674 bytes +37‎ No edit summary
• curprev 11:2911:29, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 35,401 bytes −3,236‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined.: Moving to the end--probably the weakest of all the arguments
• curprev 11:2811:28, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,670 bytes +33‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined.
• curprev 11:2311:23, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,637 bytes +3,236‎ Oops, what is wrong with my head today :-)
• curprev 11:2211:22, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 35,401 bytes −3,236‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined.: This is a NEGATIVE argument. Sheesh
• curprev 11:1911:19, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,637 bytes +218‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.
• curprev 11:1711:17, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,419 bytes 0‎ No edit summary
• curprev 11:1611:16, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,419 bytes +38,419‎ →‎Reply: Many educational projects have sufficient contributors, and they don't even use a free license.
• curprev 11:1611:16, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,479 bytes −38‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use is part of the definition of free/open content.
• curprev 10:3910:39, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 37,637 bytes −880‎ →‎Reply to "so what": Deleted section that is merely suggestive, and does not actually make its point. See talk.
• curprev 10:3710:37, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,185 bytes −332‎ →‎Reply to "so what": This paragraph is redundant and nonresponsive
• curprev 10:3610:36, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,403 bytes −114‎ OK, maybe the TOC is better than nothing
• curprev 10:3510:35, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,396 bytes −121‎ No edit summary
• curprev 10:3110:31, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,517 bytes +448‎ Simply not an argument, this
• curprev 10:2110:21, 15 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,069 bytes +21,911‎ Removing useless table of contents (it's just too long)

10 September 2007

• curprev 10:1510:15, 10 September 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 38,069 bytes +21,911‎ No edit summary

7 August 2007

• curprev 03:0203:02, 7 August 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 38,050 bytes +416‎ "For encyclopedia projects, if there are ever any competitors for ours, well, if they are any good, we'll just use their best articles...to strengthen our project." - Jimmy Wales, Jul 25, 2001

22 July 2007

• curprev 07:2507:25, 22 July 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ m 37,634 bytes −1‎ →‎Reply: Argument is falsified by experience

21 July 2007

• curprev 22:3622:36, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 37,635 bytes +582‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise: Italicize
• curprev 19:4919:49, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 37,627 bytes +508‎ →‎Rebuttal
• curprev 19:4819:48, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 37,623 bytes +504‎ →‎Rebuttal: add quote
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• curprev 17:1817:18, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 37,062 bytes +9‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 16:4516:45, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 37,053 bytes +1,387‎ →‎Reply: The ''Citizendium'' website ''is'' maximum distribution.: add minor point
• curprev 16:2916:29, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Aleksander Stos‎ 36,936 bytes +1,270‎ →‎Argument: Having incompatible licenses is a nuisance.: this appears to be new. Is it ok to put arguments directly here instead of passing through the forum?
• curprev 15:4515:45, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Aleksander Stos‎ 36,094 bytes +428‎ →‎Rebuttal to CZ as max distribution: as far as I remember...
• curprev 14:4414:44, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 35,795 bytes +45‎ →‎Rebuttal
• curprev 14:2514:25, 21 July 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 35,750 bytes +84‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise: formatting

3 June 2007

• curprev 22:5822:58, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 35,666 bytes −2‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
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• curprev 22:3322:33, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Robert Tito‎ m 35,647 bytes +1,016‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.
• curprev 22:1722:17, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 35,585 bytes +2‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.
• curprev 22:1722:17, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 35,583 bytes +414‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.: *''gotspe'' - insolent brutality, roughly
• curprev 21:3121:31, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Robert Tito‎ m 35,539 bytes +370‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.
• curprev 21:1221:12, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 35,169 bytes +538‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 21:1021:10, 3 June 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 35,140 bytes +570‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise

15 May 2007

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• curprev 02:0402:04, 15 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 34,658 bytes +102‎ →‎With the GFDL for CZ original articles, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
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• curprev 01:0801:08, 15 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 34,169 bytes +7‎ →‎Rebuttal
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• curprev 00:3600:36, 15 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 34,365 bytes +106‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
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• curprev 00:1200:12, 15 May 2007‎ imported>David Hoffman‎ 34,111 bytes +1,670‎ →‎Reply: There are excellent reasons to disallow Wikipedia from using Citizendium original articles.
• curprev 00:1000:10, 15 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 32,441 bytes +610‎ →‎Rebuttal
• curprev 00:0200:02, 15 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 31,963 bytes +132‎ →‎Rebuttal
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14 May 2007

• curprev 23:5923:59, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 31,805 bytes +166‎ →‎Rebuttal
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• curprev 23:5223:52, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 31,582 bytes +1,606‎ →‎Rebuttal
• curprev 23:4223:42, 14 May 2007‎ imported>David Hoffman‎ 30,362 bytes +386‎ →‎reply
• curprev 23:3623:36, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 29,976 bytes +636‎ →‎Reply to GFDL as feeder-wiki toward our demise: ====Rebuttal====
• curprev 23:3223:32, 14 May 2007‎ imported>David Hoffman‎ 29,340 bytes +428‎ →‎Reply: The ''Citizendium'' website ''is'' maximum distribution.
• curprev 23:2023:20, 14 May 2007‎ imported>David Hoffman‎ 28,912 bytes +389‎ →‎Reply to "so what"
• curprev 23:1323:13, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 28,523 bytes +195‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 23:1123:11, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 28,328 bytes −161‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 23:1123:11, 14 May 2007‎ imported>David Hoffman‎ 28,489 bytes +3,679‎ →‎Reply: We will get something in return if our work is used.
• curprev 23:1123:11, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 28,320 bytes +235‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 23:0623:06, 14 May 2007‎ imported>David Hoffman‎ 28,085 bytes +1,752‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 23:0123:01, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 26,333 bytes +1,523‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 22:5822:58, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 26,146 bytes +658‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 22:5722:57, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 26,126 bytes +638‎ Kummer surfaces ... is more detailed than what we say by quite some way...let's assume there is no problem in principle if we wanted to import
• curprev 22:3522:35, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 25,488 bytes +1‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 22:3522:35, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 25,487 bytes +370‎ "Wikipedia could start requiring registration and having disputes settled by experts - just like Citizendium. Or it could simply take content from Citizendium, if that has already done the job."
• curprev 22:1322:13, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 25,117 bytes +307‎ /''Has anyone started a project to copy data from http://www.citizendium.org to wikipedia yet?''
• curprev 21:5321:53, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 24,810 bytes +1,038‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 21:5321:53, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 24,938 bytes +1,166‎ ''It's also great that, thanks to the GFDL, if Citizendium does produce any good content, we can port it back here in the twinkling of an eye.''
• curprev 21:2621:26, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 24,581 bytes −1‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
• curprev 21:2521:25, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 24,582 bytes +516‎ ''To be honest, I hope the site <B>is</B> under the GFDL, which'd allow us to copy their efforts back onto here''
• curprev 20:5120:51, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 24,066 bytes +5‎ →‎With the GFDL, we might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki, leading to our own demise
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• curprev 20:5020:50, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 24,060 bytes +288‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.
• curprev 20:4220:42, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 23,772 bytes +7,615‎ →‎We might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki otherwise
• curprev 20:4120:41, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 23,759 bytes −24‎ →‎Evidence of and Wikipedians who have made this argument
• curprev 20:4120:41, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 23,783 bytes +519‎ A larger number of lurkers from Wikipedia will, however, peruse the newly created articles on Citizendium and scavenge them. Given the public profile of Wikipedia, readers are far more likely to find
• curprev 17:5217:52, 14 May 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 23,264 bytes +4,772‎ →‎We might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki otherwise: Evidence that WP would like to take up CZ's approve content, by Erik Möller

19 April 2007

• curprev 15:1615:16, 19 April 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 22,745 bytes +227‎ →‎Argument: A non-commercial license permits overall greater encyclopedia quality through freer use of allowable images.

18 April 2007

• curprev 04:1904:19, 18 April 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 22,518 bytes −23‎ →‎We might as well resolve ourselves to be a feeder-wiki otherwise
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• curprev 04:0804:08, 18 April 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 22,738 bytes +758‎ →‎Negative: Disallow commercial use.

12 April 2007

• curprev 19:4719:47, 12 April 2007‎ imported>Phillip Stewart‎ m 21,979 bytes −1‎ →‎Reply=: -=

11 April 2007

• curprev 23:5923:59, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,980 bytes +6‎ →‎Reply to "so what"
• curprev 23:5623:56, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,974 bytes +171‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are fundamentally compatible.
• curprev 23:5423:54, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,803 bytes +158‎ →‎Reply: Then we should not use GFDL at all.
• curprev 23:5323:53, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,645 bytes +430‎ →‎Reply: Non-commercial sites could offer similar features to commercial sites.
• curprev 23:5123:51, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,215 bytes +729‎ →‎Reply to both
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• curprev 23:4823:48, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 20,718 bytes +232‎ →‎Reply: Commercial use isn't necessary for competition.
• curprev 23:4623:46, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 20,486 bytes +358‎ →‎Reply=
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• curprev 23:4323:43, 11 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 20,059 bytes +626‎ →‎Reply: So what?

8 April 2007

• curprev 09:0209:02, 8 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ m 19,686 bytes +253‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use would permit people to profit on the backs of volunteers.: spelling, add full stop
• curprev 06:3406:34, 8 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ m 19,685 bytes −5‎ →‎Reply
• curprev 06:2706:27, 8 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 19,690 bytes +257‎ →‎Pro Commercial, Pro GFDL only user's reply: Reply (Why not?)

7 April 2007

• curprev 08:4908:49, 7 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 19,433 bytes −699‎ →‎Reply: There are excellent reasons to disallow Wikipedia from using Citizendium original articles.: shorten section, per suggestion on talk page
• curprev 08:2908:29, 7 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 23,163 bytes +143‎ clean up headings

6 April 2007

• curprev 11:5311:53, 6 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 23,022 bytes +2‎ →‎Reply: Commercial use isn't necessary for competition: move section to lower level so that it's clear what this is a reply to
• curprev 09:5409:54, 6 April 2007‎ imported>Anthony Argyriou‎ 23,020 bytes +2,426‎ reply to →‎Argument: Commercial use facilitates competition

5 April 2007

• curprev 21:4321:43, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 22,030 bytes +1,436‎ →‎Pro GFDL only "Reply to There are excellent reasons to disallow Wikipedia from using Citizendium original articles"
• curprev 20:5920:59, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 21,993 bytes +311‎ →‎Reply: Then we should not use GFDL at all: In the total sum of things, Wikipedia is a small and murky commercial pond in a clear ocean of non-commercial entities.
• curprev 20:3520:35, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,873 bytes +191‎ →‎Pro GFDL only "Reply to There are excellent reasons to disallow Wikipedia from using Citizendium original articles"
• curprev 20:3320:33, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,682 bytes +198‎ →‎Rebuttal: Article incompatibility is better achieved through stylistic means than the blunt instrument of a license
• curprev 20:2820:28, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,484 bytes +862‎ →‎Reply:
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• curprev 20:2520:25, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 20,622 bytes 0‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.: change heading to "A noncommercial license hinders sharing with Wikipedia"
• curprev 20:2420:24, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 20,622 bytes 0‎ →‎Reply:
• curprev 20:2420:24, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Thomas E Kelly‎ 21,219 bytes +597‎ →‎Reply:
• curprev 20:1720:17, 5 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 20,622 bytes +28‎ →‎Reply: language improvements, hopefully without changing the meaning

3 April 2007

• curprev 11:0911:09, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 20,594 bytes +462‎ →‎Argument: Having incompatible licences is a nuisance: only stub, incomplete and English mistakes, sorry
• curprev 10:3110:31, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ m 20,378 bytes +42‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use would permit people to profit on the backs of volunteers.
• curprev 08:4708:47, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 20,336 bytes +204‎ →‎Reply: grammar; "many less people" --> "far fewer people"
• curprev 08:3208:32, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 20,336 bytes +204‎ →‎Argument: Having incompatible licences is a nuisance
• curprev 08:0108:01, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 20,132 bytes +1,796‎ →‎Reply: People will always profit on the backs of volunteers
• curprev 07:5007:50, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 19,950 bytes +1,614‎ →‎Reply: There is nothing wrong with commercial use.
• curprev 07:4107:41, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 19,642 bytes +263‎ →‎Reply: Non-commercial sites could offer similar features to commercial sites.
• curprev 07:2207:22, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 19,511 bytes +132‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined
• curprev 07:0207:02, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ m 19,379 bytes +1,043‎ →‎Reply: The ''Citizendium'' website ''is'' maximum distribution.
• curprev 06:4106:41, 3 April 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 19,304 bytes +968‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use would permit people to profit on the backs of volunteers.: stub

31 March 2007

• curprev 09:1909:19, 31 March 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 19,187 bytes +851‎ add "Argument: Having incompatible licenses is a nuisance"; expounded by Tom Kelly on talk page and Oleg Alexandrov on forum

28 March 2007

• curprev 14:5514:55, 28 March 2007‎ imported>Jitse Niesen‎ 18,336 bytes −167‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.: the second reply seems to be the elaboration of the original argument, so move things around

27 March 2007

• curprev 22:2422:24, 27 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 18,503 bytes +11‎ No edit summary
• curprev 21:2321:23, 27 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 18,492 bytes +1,184‎ →‎Point of order: CC-by-nc or CC-by-nc-sa?: CC-by-nc-sa

26 March 2007

• curprev 12:3112:31, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ m 19,231 bytes +395‎ →‎Point of order: CC-by-nc or CC-by-nc-sa?: Correction/clarification
• curprev 12:2912:29, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 19,223 bytes +387‎ →‎Point of order: CC-by-nc or CC-by-nc-sa?: Explanation of key differences.
• curprev 12:0912:09, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Howard Arvi Hughes‎ 18,836 bytes +1,366‎ →‎Reply: The ''Citizendium'' website ''is'' maximum distribution.: stub
• curprev 12:0612:06, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 18,788 bytes +1,318‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined
• curprev 11:5911:59, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 17,470 bytes +162‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use facilitates competition
• curprev 11:5711:57, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 17,308 bytes +1,149‎ →‎Argument: "Noncommercial" is not well defined
• curprev 11:3411:34, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 16,159 bytes +2‎ →‎Reply: People will always profit on the backs of volunteers
• curprev 11:3411:34, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 16,157 bytes −1‎ →‎=Reply: People will always profit on the backs of volunteers
• curprev 11:3311:33, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 16,158 bytes +5,915‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use would permit people to profit on the backs of volunteers.
• curprev 11:2711:27, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 15,526 bytes +55‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 11:2411:24, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 15,471 bytes +207‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use is part of the definition of free/open content.
• curprev 11:1411:14, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 15,264 bytes +146‎ →‎The issue explained neutrally
• curprev 11:1311:13, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 15,118 bytes +4,875‎ →‎The issue explained neutrally
• curprev 11:0411:04, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 14,918 bytes +4,675‎ →‎Argument: A non-commercial license permits overall greater encyclopedia quality through freer use of allowable images
• curprev 10:5110:51, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Anthony DiPierro‎ 14,090 bytes +88‎ →‎Argument: If contributors share copyright, the Citizendium Foundation could relicense articles commercially.
• curprev 10:1410:14, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 14,002 bytes +645‎ →‎Rebuttal: There are excellent reasons to disallow Wikipedia from using Citizendium original articles
• curprev 10:0910:09, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,988 bytes +122‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are fundamentally compatible
• curprev 10:0610:06, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,866 bytes −50‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are fundamentally compatible
• curprev 10:0510:05, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,871 bytes −45‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are fundamentally compatible
• curprev 10:0110:01, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,916 bytes −2‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are fundamentally compatible
• curprev 10:0010:00, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,910 bytes −11‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:5709:57, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,921 bytes +3‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:5609:56, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,917 bytes −1‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:5509:55, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,915 bytes −3‎ →‎Reply: There's no good reason to prefer to let Wikipedia use our articles
• curprev 09:5509:55, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,918 bytes +796‎ →‎Reply: We should disallow Wikipedia from using our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 09:5409:54, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 13,901 bytes +779‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.: reorganizing some
• curprev 09:5309:53, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 13,122 bytes −782‎ →‎Rebuttal: Article incompatibility is better achieved through stylistic means than the blunt instrument of a license
• curprev 09:5109:51, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,904 bytes +547‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:5009:50, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,894 bytes +18‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:4809:48, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 13,904 bytes +28‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:4709:47, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 13,876 bytes +519‎ →‎Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think
• curprev 09:4609:46, 26 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 13,874 bytes +517‎ /=== Rebuttal: The GFDL and CC-by-sa are much more compatible than you think ===

25 March 2007

• curprev 20:0620:06, 25 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ m 13,357 bytes +891‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.: Correction of grammatical errors.

24 March 2007

• curprev 20:5220:52, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 13,361 bytes +6‎ →‎The issue explained neutrally: Correction to the choice of non-commercial license, in accordance with discussion.
• curprev 20:4520:45, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 13,355 bytes +784‎ →‎Reply: There's no good reason to prefer to let Wikipedia use our articles: Rebuttal suggesting a better way of preventing article duplication between the projects
• curprev 20:4220:42, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Phillip Stewart‎ 12,571 bytes +105‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use is part of the definition of free/open content.: the point
• curprev 17:5217:52, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ m 12,466 bytes +2,223‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.: Typo correction.
• curprev 17:4917:49, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 12,467 bytes −160‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.: I've rewritten the material about Answers.com to make it more concise and give a more general view.
• curprev 17:3417:34, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 12,627 bytes +417‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use is part of the definition of free/open content.
• curprev 17:1217:12, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 12,210 bytes +1,967‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.: It's not just nc that's incompatible.
• curprev 17:0417:04, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 11,955 bytes +1,712‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.
• curprev 16:5416:54, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 11,865 bytes +1,178‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use permits maximum distribution of content.
• curprev 14:5614:56, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Phillip Stewart‎ 10,687 bytes +444‎ →‎Affirmative: permit commercial use: Commercial use is part of the definition of free/open content; spelling
• curprev 14:4814:48, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Phillip Stewart‎ 10,415 bytes +184‎ →‎Reply: There is nothing wrong with commercial use.: Wikipedia has shown that volunteers do not mind commercial use of their work. On the contrary, some users may choose not to contribute to CZ i
• curprev 11:0211:02, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 10,231 bytes −12‎ →‎Reply: We should disallow Wikipedia from using our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 08:1508:15, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 10,227 bytes −16‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above): Renaming for clarity
• curprev 07:5407:54, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Simon Yee‎ 10,243 bytes +7,427‎ responses
• curprev 03:0803:08, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 8,405 bytes +272‎ Argument: A non-commercial license permits overall greater encyclopedia quality through freer use of allowable images
• curprev 02:5102:51, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 8,129 bytes −4‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:4802:48, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 8,133 bytes +5,317‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:4602:46, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 8,113 bytes +17‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:4602:46, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 8,096 bytes +432‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:4202:42, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 8,028 bytes +307‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:3902:39, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 7,912 bytes +191‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:3002:30, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 7,721 bytes +27‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:2502:25, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 7,694 bytes +30‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 02:2402:24, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 7,664 bytes +1,895‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:2202:22, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 7,615 bytes +14‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:2002:20, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 7,601 bytes +1,832‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles (with rebuttal to above)
• curprev 02:1802:18, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 7,509 bytes +1,740‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 01:5001:50, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 5,794 bytes +25‎ →‎Reply: There IS good reason to prefer to NOT let Wikipedia use our articles
• curprev 01:4901:49, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 5,769 bytes +2,953‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 01:4501:45, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ m 5,703 bytes +2,887‎ →‎Rebuttal
• curprev 01:4501:45, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 5,706 bytes −126‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 01:4201:42, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 5,832 bytes +10‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 01:4101:41, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 5,822 bytes +16‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.
• curprev 01:4001:40, 24 March 2007‎ imported>Stephen Ewen‎ 5,806 bytes +2,990‎ →‎Argument: A noncommercial license is incompatible with Wikipedia.

23 March 2007

• curprev 21:3521:35, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Joseph Rushton Wakeling‎ 2,816 bytes +2,816‎ →‎Argument: Commercial use would permit people to profit on the backs of volunteers.: Returns can be other than financial.
• curprev 17:5117:51, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 2,658 bytes −89‎ →‎Reply: There's no good reason to prefer to let Wikipedia use our articles.: Deleting your signature, sorry David, it's an unsigned page
• curprev 17:0717:07, 23 March 2007‎ imported>DavidGoodman‎ 2,747 bytes +850‎ →‎Reply: There's no good reason to prefer to let Wikipedia use our articles.: Reason
• curprev 13:1813:18, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,903 bytes +6‎ No edit summary
• curprev 12:1412:14, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,897 bytes +294‎ →‎Argument: If contributors share copyright, the Citizendium Foundation could relicense articles commercially.
• curprev 11:4211:42, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,817 bytes +214‎ →‎Affirmative: permit commercial use
• curprev 11:3511:35, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,603 bytes +1,603‎ No edit summary
• curprev 11:3411:34, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,624 bytes +329‎ →‎Negative: disallow commercial use
• curprev 11:3111:31, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,295 bytes +1,295‎ No edit summary
• curprev 11:2811:28, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 1,088 bytes +463‎ No edit summary
• curprev 11:1611:16, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 625 bytes +625‎ No edit summary
• curprev 11:1211:12, 23 March 2007‎ imported>Larry Sanger‎ 354 bytes +354‎ No edit summary