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= Affirmative: check, and require evidence of, any credentials stated in a bio = | = Affirmative: check, and require evidence of, any credentials stated in a bio = | ||
: I would say yes-but make it clear that credentials do not have to be submitted in a bio upon application to be accepted, only proof of identity. Here's why | : I would say yes-but make it clear that credentials do not have to be submitted in a bio upon application to be accepted, only proof of identity. In other words, if you don't say you are a Ph D on your bio, you don't have to give credible evidence of it in your application. Here's why, in my opinion: our first duty is to the reader of the Citizendium and that reader should be able to be educated by the articles here. A basic part of reading any information in an educated manner is evaluating sources, meaning, at least in part, authors. So, even if authors do not ask to be editors, placing bogus credentials on a user page should be prevented if possible. Let's say XY writes in an article on cancer therapy, look at the XY user page, oh, it's XY MD, and the School of Alternative Medicine in Calcutta is listed. I (who am an MD) can google the website of the School of Alternative Medicine in Calculcutta and recognize that it meets the qualifications of a diploma mill - but not everybody will recognize that right off the bat. Further, XY might not even list the actual school on his or her user page, just that an MD has been obtained. I believe that citizens should have some assurance that if a user claims to have an MD on his or her user page, that somebody at Citizendium has checked that out. Same with any major credential in any other field. That would mean that we might have to institute yet another rule (oh, no! :-)) but a simple one- degrees and credentials cannot be listed on a user page unless they were listed either in the application or a subsequent e-mail to the constables. Yeah- that's all a lot of work, but actually- not so very much more than we do now, since we ''do'' check user bios after account creation. Although ''the application'' would have to give full name and location of a degree granting institution, and the date granted, the user bio could be general in order to protect privacy. And speaking of privacy, we need an upfront assurance to users and applicants that our database of users will not be sold or shared with third parties. One of the 500 things on the urgent list, for us poor mice and our volunteer efforts on a shoestring budget. But whether we can do it now or not-we should put it on the"to-do" list. [[User:Nancy Sculerati|Nancy Sculerati]] 16:03, 27 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
= Negative: check only basic ''bona fides''; rely on "soft security" for accuracy of details= | = Negative: check only basic ''bona fides''; rely on "soft security" for accuracy of details= | ||
Revision as of 22:11, 27 March 2007
Policy argument summary started March 27, 2007
The issue explained neutrally
See CZ Talk:Application Review Procedure for background to this debate.
Affirmative: check, and require evidence of, any credentials stated in a bio
- I would say yes-but make it clear that credentials do not have to be submitted in a bio upon application to be accepted, only proof of identity. In other words, if you don't say you are a Ph D on your bio, you don't have to give credible evidence of it in your application. Here's why, in my opinion: our first duty is to the reader of the Citizendium and that reader should be able to be educated by the articles here. A basic part of reading any information in an educated manner is evaluating sources, meaning, at least in part, authors. So, even if authors do not ask to be editors, placing bogus credentials on a user page should be prevented if possible. Let's say XY writes in an article on cancer therapy, look at the XY user page, oh, it's XY MD, and the School of Alternative Medicine in Calcutta is listed. I (who am an MD) can google the website of the School of Alternative Medicine in Calculcutta and recognize that it meets the qualifications of a diploma mill - but not everybody will recognize that right off the bat. Further, XY might not even list the actual school on his or her user page, just that an MD has been obtained. I believe that citizens should have some assurance that if a user claims to have an MD on his or her user page, that somebody at Citizendium has checked that out. Same with any major credential in any other field. That would mean that we might have to institute yet another rule (oh, no! :-)) but a simple one- degrees and credentials cannot be listed on a user page unless they were listed either in the application or a subsequent e-mail to the constables. Yeah- that's all a lot of work, but actually- not so very much more than we do now, since we do check user bios after account creation. Although the application would have to give full name and location of a degree granting institution, and the date granted, the user bio could be general in order to protect privacy. And speaking of privacy, we need an upfront assurance to users and applicants that our database of users will not be sold or shared with third parties. One of the 500 things on the urgent list, for us poor mice and our volunteer efforts on a shoestring budget. But whether we can do it now or not-we should put it on the"to-do" list. Nancy Sculerati 16:03, 27 March 2007 (CDT)