Talk:Guinness

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Hi,

I can't manage to get a picture up and running. Could someone help out?

What picture is it, and have you checked Help:Images#Copyrights first? --Robert W King 10:03, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Additionally, please remember to sign your comments with --~~~~ after your statement, or by clicking the signature button in the edit box.--Robert W King 10:05, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

What about one of these? [1] [2]? --Kjetil Ree 10:28, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Those are both great! Make sure to read the information in the CZ Policy link about flickr photos. Also, read the instructions provided on the "upload file" navigation link on the left side under "toolbox". --Robert W King 10:34, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Deeply important topic, this.  ;-) --Larry Sanger 10:09, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Guinness is best from the tap!--Robert W King 10:06, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Hey, feel free to post it up or whatever, just a rough stub, hoping someone could post up more - I may be Irish, but don't expect me to be an expert on stout! Denis Cavanagh

Iconic, please 'move'!

I have never met anyone in my many years of life on this planet who refers to this substance as "Guinness beer". "Guinness stout", yes.

Most people just say "Guinness", and if you've been living in a cave all your life and have never heard of it, tant pis.

I will move this to Guinness if there are no objections.

Aleta Curry 17:41, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Probably Guinness (beer) is more appropriate. I can't think of any other Guinesses off hand but this page is sure to be a redirect eventually. Geez, I'm thirsty just talking about it... --Joe Quick (Talk) 17:12, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Nah, that's what disambiguation is for. The more I think of it, the more certain I am that Guinness stout owns the name. Even the Book of World Records is related. Aleta Curry 17:31, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

AS Guiness is not a beer, it would be rather odd for it to be called such! The normal usage is simply Guiness, although technically it is a stout. Aleta's page move is correct.--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 21:09, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

The problem with just "Guinness" as a name is that it is also the name of Guinness Book of World Records, and Sir Alec. --Larry Sanger 22:45, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Just because something is also--or can refer also--to something else, doesn't mean that one isn't the main meaning. Silver is Ag; the fact that it is also cutlery and pieces of silver and household silver doesn't mean that silver should be a disambiguation page. Aleta Curry 23:06, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Can we turn this into a disambig? Geoffrey Plourde 22:42, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Sure we could.

By the way, of course Guinness is a beer. It calls itself such on guinness.com. All stouts are beers. It's just no ordinary beer.  ;-) Other possibilities are Guinness (stout) (do they make any other kind of beer?) or Guinness (beer), or even Guinness (beverage), although that seems unnecessarily broad. --Larry Sanger 22:48, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Since I "moved" the page, there should already be a redirect left at the original Guinness (beer). It was working; don't know why it's now so finicky. The disambig page is at Guinness (disambiguation). Putting a disambiguation page at Guinness is not correct. The Guinness Book of World Records should be there, with a link on the disambig page (and as I said above, that, too is related to Guinness stout. When things are clearly the main understanding, they should be at the main entry. Like ball is a round spherical thing. The fact that there is also ball, a dance, Lucille Ball and the Vienna Opera Ball is what disambiguation pages are for.Aleta Curry 23:06, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Yes, Guinness/Diageo also brew other beers in Ireland - a too-bubbly generic lager called Harp, and two ales, Smithwick's and Kilkenny. Anton Sweeney 09:24, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Move Proposal

Any objections to me moving the current content to Guinness (beer) and creating a Disambiguation page? Geoffrey Plourde 22:44, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Yes, a strenuous one. The disambiguation page is already set up; add to it if you wish. Nobody searching for Guinness stout would type in 'Guinness beer'.

Aleta Curry

Right. They would type in 'Guinness' but so might someone who is looking for the book of world records or someone who can't remember the first name of Sir whatsit Guinness. --Joe Quick (Talk) 10:24, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Sir Alec "The Legend" Guinness!  :)

Seriously, you're right, Joe, but those good people go by default to Guinness, where a lovely note tells them that if they were looking for Sir Alec, go to.... Sometimes, something or someone just *owns* a name. Every educated East African (and a good many educated Britons) knows Sir Samuel Baker, but baker should NOT default to a disambiguation page, it should default to someome that bakes yummy things, just as butler goes to someone in a suit, not Rhett, and ball points to a round thing. That's just how it is. Aleta Curry 19:40, 27 July 2007 (CDT)