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==Title==
This seems like an awfully informal title for an encyl. -- shouldn't it be called [[United States foreign policy]]? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 23:32, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
:Is it informal?? it is accepted by the style guides (Chicago Manual of Style 15th ed p 568) and used by leading publishers in their book titles, such as Oxford University Press ('' Encyclopedia of U.S. Foreign Relations'' (1997)) See [http://books.google.com/books?as_q=&num=30&lr=&as_brr=0&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_libcat=0&as_brr=0&lr=&as_vt=U.S.+foreign+policy&as_auth=&as_pub=%22university+press%22&as_sub=&as_drrb=c&as_miny=&as_maxy=&as_isbn=  For 300 examples of book titles by university presses on "U.S. Foreign Policy"]  By contrast [http://books.google.com/books?as_q=&num=30&lr=&as_brr=0&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_libcat=0&as_brr=0&lr=&as_vt=United+states+foreign+policy&as_auth=&as_pub=%22university+press%22&as_sub=&as_drrb=c&as_miny=&as_maxy=&as_isbn= there are only 25 books that use "United States Foreign Policy"] in the title, and they all seem to be much older (none appeared in recent years).[[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 23:46, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
::Geez, I am astonished! On the other hand, I left the friendly groves of Academe back in 1964. But I wonder what Crane Brinton or Sam Morison would think about this turn of events: the latter certainly didn't call his opus "The Oxford History of the U.S." Oh, well, back to the drawing board.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 23:58, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
:::OK you get my wife' Samuel Eliot Morison story, circa 1976. She was doing avant garde history of the Shakers, using statistics, demography and feminism. She sent her article to ''New England Quarterly'' and did not hear anything. She waited. waited. Finally she called and they were embarrassed. They had sent the article for blind review (with her name removed) to Morison, who had been on their editorial board for 50 years.  It was on his desk when he died and his people assumed HE wrote it! (One can imagine the obituaries: "Although Morison was known for his crusty, old fashioned views, toward the end of his life he embraced quantification, the new social history and radical feminism, to the astonishment of his colleagues."  Well the problem got fixed and the essay was published [http://www.jstor.org/pss/364589 see copy online] and still gets cited. A few years ago my daughter took a history course at Mt Holyoke and that article was the first one assigned. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 00:09, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
::::A nice story! He was a classmate of my uncle's and the godfather to his twins. I remember using "Morison and Commager" -- I hadn't realized until looking him up in WP that it was trashed for a number of years as being v. racist.... But some of that may be WP PC-stuff.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 01:08, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
In any case, isn't CZ policy to NOT use caps in the articles' titles, ie, [[U.S. foreign policy]]? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 01:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
:you're right on caps! I'll change it. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 01:17, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
== I hardly know where to start... ==
At present, this article is not about what the average reader might think would be its topic: the foreign policy practiced by the United States. If one reverses the chronological order of the subheadings, one winds up with nothing on recent policy.
Would it make more sense to move some of these sections into subarticles about "history of U.S. foreign policy in (period)" and start afresh?  A fresh start would have, as major sections, regional (e.g., East Asia, Middle East) and functional (arms control, human rights, etc.) — a preliminary outline might correspond to the Assistant Secretary level offices of the [[U.S. State Department]]. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 01:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:As it stands, it's certainly a strange article. Presumably Prof. Jensen was going to fill it in. As you say, how does one even begin to start with it? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 02:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


== A possible replacement ==
== A possible replacement ==
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**Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs (OES)
**Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs (OES)
**Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM)
**Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM)
:I have gone ahead with this reorganization. The earlier article, with the talk page moved, is now at [[History of U.S. foreign policy]]. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 22:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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A possible replacement

Following up on using the State Department structure, there could be sections on the various upper-level State Department areas of responsibility, plus other aspects of grand strategy as seen in Treasury, the military, intelligence community, etc: Howard C. Berkowitz 01:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Regional
    • African Affairs (AF)
    • European and Eurasian Affairs (EUR)
    • East Asian and Pacific Affairs (EAP)
    • Near Eastern Affairs (NEA)
    • South and Central Asian Affairs (SCA)
    • Western Hemisphere Affairs (WHA)
  • Functional
    • Counterterrorism (S/CT)
    • Reconstruction and Stabilization Peace operations(S/CRS)
    • Global AIDS Coordinator, Office of (S/GAC)
    • Global Women's Issues (S/GWI)
    • War Crimes Issues (S/WCI)
    • Foreign assistance
    • Arms Control and International Security (T)
    • Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs(E)
    • Democracy and Global Affairs (G)
    • Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs (R)
    • Economic, Energy and Business Affairs (EEB)
    • Educational and Cultural Affairs (ECA)
    • International Information Programs (IIP)
    • International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL)
    • International Organization Affairs (IO)
    • International Security and Nonproliferation (ISN)
    • Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs (OES)
    • Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM)
I have gone ahead with this reorganization. The earlier article, with the talk page moved, is now at History of U.S. foreign policy. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
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