Talk:Merle Curti/Draft: Difference between revisions
imported>Russell D. Jones (Turner and Curti) |
imported>Russell D. Jones m (→The Turner Thesis: sig) |
||
| Line 15: | Line 15: | ||
<div class="usermessage plainlinks">Discussion for [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Merle_Curti&oldid=100306094 Version 1.0] stopped here. Please continue further discussion under this break. </div> | <div class="usermessage plainlinks">Discussion for [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Merle_Curti&oldid=100306094 Version 1.0] stopped here. Please continue further discussion under this break. </div> | ||
==The Turner Thesis== | ==The Turner Thesis== | ||
There is an inconsistency in the first paragraph where the article states "the Turnerian thesis that social and economic forces shape American life, thought and character." The article on the [[Frontier Thesis|Turner Thesis]] rightly states that the theory is that American character is derived from Americans' exposure to the frontier. The Turnerian thesis is that frontier experience shapes American life, not social and economic forces. So I don't see how Curti could be both Turnerian '''''and''''' a socio-economic determinist on American character. I think the article flatly gets the Turner thesis wrong. | There is an inconsistency in the first paragraph where the article states "the Turnerian thesis that social and economic forces shape American life, thought and character." The article on the [[Frontier Thesis|Turner Thesis]] rightly states that the theory is that American character is derived from Americans' exposure to the frontier. The Turnerian thesis is that frontier experience shapes American life, not social and economic forces. So I don't see how Curti could be both Turnerian '''''and''''' a socio-economic determinist on American character. I think the article flatly gets the Turner thesis wrong. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 01:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 19:09, 9 March 2009
It isn't clear from the last sentence of the "New Social History" section whether Thernstrom or Curti (or someone else entirely) represented the "Old Social History".
- Roger Lohmann 21:09, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
- Thermstrom and Curti were leaders of the new social history.Richard Jensen 02:18, 5 April 2008 (CDT)
- It's much clearer now.
- Thermstrom and Curti were leaders of the new social history.Richard Jensen 02:18, 5 April 2008 (CDT)
- The list of Curti's publications and publications about him were moved to the Bibliography page, consistent with Subpages standards. If there is a suitable photo of Curti available somewhere, this one may be about ready for Approval.
- Would it be worth adding an indication of where Curti's papers are archived? I found one online source indicating they were at the University of Wisconsin, but it doesn't appear to be a very authoritative source.
- Roger Lohmann 18:33, 5 April 2008 (CDT)
- the Curti Papers are open for research at the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, and I browsed them one day. He corresponed with every historian of note, and scores of PhD students. Richard Jensen 15:42, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
APPROVED Version 1.0
Three in one day! Way to go. --D. Matt Innis 18:47, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
The Turner Thesis
There is an inconsistency in the first paragraph where the article states "the Turnerian thesis that social and economic forces shape American life, thought and character." The article on the Turner Thesis rightly states that the theory is that American character is derived from Americans' exposure to the frontier. The Turnerian thesis is that frontier experience shapes American life, not social and economic forces. So I don't see how Curti could be both Turnerian and a socio-economic determinist on American character. I think the article flatly gets the Turner thesis wrong. Russell D. Jones 01:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)