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== Did you mean to do that? ==
'''If you have something to say to me, feel free to email.  If it relates to an article, I certainly will respond appropriately on article talk pages, and recommend Workgroup or Subgroup talk pages for content issues.''' [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 00:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 
I missed this the first time because I usually look at all the changes at the same time.. then I saw that you [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk:Homeopathy/Draft&diff=next&oldid=100514192 deleted something].. did you mean to do that?  I was going to respond, but thought maybe you changed your mind or something. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:Didn't mean to delete; now trying to figure out how to restore it. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 23:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Do you like Ike? ==
 
How do you feel about the [[Dwight D. Eisenhower]] article from a military standpoint?  Is it ready for approval?  If so, could you nominate it?  Then I'll get some people from other applicable workgroups to join in. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 16:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:It's not ready. The WWII is better than Cold War; the Cold War has a lot of ideological baggage. It's fixable, but I need references and I'd like to get some Afghanistan things in better order -- to say nothing of some Vietnam material that's long been close to approval. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== RIM-2 Terrier ==
 
I have made a copy of your article in [[User:Drew R. Smith/RIM-2 Terrier|my draft space]], with the minor modification of using the convert template instead of writing out the conversion. I have set the values to display what you had written, however if you want a more precise conversion simply change <nowiki>{{convert|12|km|feet|</nowiki>'''-4'''<nowiki>}} to display as {{convert|12|km|feet|</nowiki>'''2'''<nowiki>}}</nowiki> and it will display out to the second decimal.
 
If you like it this way, simply copy the draft into the article space. I have not touched anything other than the conversions.[[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 20:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== DNS ==
 
Hi, Howard, did you see my last remark? [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 14:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
: Oh, I should have guessed this ... [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 14:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Howard, we need some feedback ==
 
Howard, please look at [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2730.0.html This thread in the forums]. We need some feedback in that thread. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 06:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Air Force ==
 
Howard, [[Air Force]] is in state of moving, did you forget it?--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 15:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Dutch air force ==
 
"Koninklijke Luchtmacht nu‎" means literally "Royal Air Force now" (''nu'' = now). Why do you have the now? --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 15:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:Because I don't speak Dutch and that's the translation given by my reference! We should, by all means, change it. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 15:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Kop or sysop needed to format AOTW ==
 
Hi Howard, can you please apply [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User%3ADaniel_Mietchen%2FSandbox%2FAOTW&diff=100516542&oldid=100516520 these changes] to [[Ancient Celtic music]] and then set back [[CZ:Article of the Week]] to [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=CZ:Article_of_the_Week&oldid=100516490 this version]? Thanks! --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 20:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Note that the second paragraph had a "<" removed, and the third one a " " added before the final onlyinclude. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 20:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::One more thing: This transcluded version starts with the article title, but this would not be needed in the approved page, as it already has that title. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 21:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Now changed it such that you can simply copy the whole [[User:Daniel_Mietchen/Sandbox/AOTW]] into [[Ancient Celtic music]]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 22:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Underground ==
 
'subway' is the American term, it sees a little usage here too but 'underground' or 'metro' is more common, mainly because 'subway' over here refers to a pedestrian underpass. 'Metro' is the best general term I think, mainly because it's used worldwide and it doesn't restrict to systems with underground running. I put [[District Line]] in the Engineering workgroup, there needs to be a transport one though! [[User:Tom F Walker|Tom F Walker]] 21:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== Internet protocol ==
 
Howard, you are answering so quickly that I suspect that you did not notice
that a few days ago I put two questions/remarks on [[Talk:Internet Protocol]].
Furthermore, you should check if my edits are ok. [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 00:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 
At [[Anycasting]] you have reacted immediately. May I ask what's the matter with [[Internet Protocol]]? [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 19:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:Sorry, I didn't know anything was outstanding. I'll check it soon; I'm trying to finish some things with books I have to return to the library this evening. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== What title should I use? ==
 
Howard, I am writing an article on the U.S.'s Clean Air Act. That is its legal name, Clean Air Act. But some other countries also have Clean Air Acts. So how should I title the article on the U.S.'s Clean Air Act? At the moment, I am leaning toward "Clean Air Act (United States)".
 
What would you suggest? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:I'd use Clean Air Act (U.S.). [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 04:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 
== File transfer vs FTP ==
 
I answered you over on my [[User_talk:Eric M Gearhart|talk page]] (I know it's easy to lose track when you edit someone else's talk page... a shortcoming of talk pages in my opinion) -[[User:Eric M Gearhart|Eric M Gearhart]] 14:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Voting for [[Domain Name System]] nominee for Article of the Week ==
 
Howard, I am not sure that it is kosher for you to change Peter Schmitt's vote from supporter to specialist supporter. I would feel more comfortable about it if you asked him to confirm that change either on your Talk page or my Talk page. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 19:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 
: I accidently saw this and added a remark at [[User talk:Milton Beychok#Specialist supporter]]--  [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 20:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== pointer ==
 
Howard, I left a response on my talk page to your entry. I explain there why it took me so long to respond. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 15:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Internment ==
 
In light of emerging news about the Tamils, I'm considering starting an article on [[internment]] as a general practice.  The topic covers military, politics, and sociology, so we definitely have enough editors to do a three-editor approval if some of them are involved.  Care to join me?  I'll probably download some reference materials today and tomorrow and get started some time this week. 
 
P.S. I also intend to get back to the interrogation article and approvals in the next few days.  Having a house guest got me distracted... --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 20:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:Is internment a subset of [[extrajudicial detention]]? I would argue it ''mostly'' is; there are some "legal but nonjudicial" forms of internment specified by international law. I'd consider both detention of enemy aliens (and diplomats temporarily) in a declared war, and then population things such as the Japanese, both to be internment. Note that I exclude things that are intended to be harsh, such as the gulags and concentration camps from internment.
 
:You weren't interrogating the house guest, were you?
 
:I may be doing some short classes on interrogation and intelligence soon, a one-hour about the US probably approved this week, but perhaps a 4-8 week adult education course. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::Yes, I'd say it's mostly a subset of extrajudicial detention.  I can't think of any historical examples that weren't extrajudicial, but I don't think that part is actually intrinsic to the idea or practice of internment though.  It doesn't take much of a stretch to imagine a legal system making allowances for the internment of certain categories of people.  Some of the actions taken against Native Americans in U.S. history might count.  I guess we'll find answers as we go along. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 03:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Never mind about internment.  The term really isn't defined well enough to create a useful article.  I was finally convinced when I searched the text of the Geneva Convention for uses of the word.  Oh well.  I'll have to think of something else.  --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 03:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:Not Geneva Conventions primarily; see [http://www.cicr.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/review-858-p375/$File/irrc_858_Pejic.pdf]; Vienna Conventions on diplomatic practice and International Humanitarian Law. I think you will find it mentioned in the GC Additional Protocols. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 03:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::Oh, wow!  I felt like I was getting some general impressions but nothing specific enough to use as a basis for an article.  That document positively affirms those broad themes though.  Thanks!  I find it fittingly humorous that, after I spent all that time coming to the conclusion that the details are vague at best, there's a line that reads, "The Fourth Geneva Convention makes it explicitly clear that internment..."  Yeah right! --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 13:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:::You are, as I recall, in the US? A few years ago, it became much more complex to have a prescription filled due to new [[HIPAA]] regulations. The act making these changes, and I am ''not'' joking, was the "HIPAA Adminstrative Simplification Act." [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 14:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== transplantation ==
 
Is there a reason all of those articles need to be titled [[Transplantation, heterologous‎]] and [[Transplantation, isogeneic‎]] and so forth rather than [[Heterologous transplantation]] and [[Isogenic transplantation]]?  If it is for keeping them together in lists, that can be done using the abc field in the metadata and leaving the title as the actual term.  --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 16:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:The rationale is that those are the exact indexing terms used by the National Library of Medicine in [[Medical Subject Headings]]. I certainly don't mind redirecting in non-inverse order, and indeed am doing so for synonyms such as [[xenotransplantation]], but I do believe that when there is an authoritative reference for a term, that should be the article name. As long as there are redirects, it shouldn't be a problem for the reader. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::But that's an ''index''.  We have the abc field so that in our index-equivalents we can alphabetize them just the same.  But regular old article titles aren't part of an index. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 03:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:::And again, the lede sentence says "heterologous transplantation". There's a redirect to that term.  Yes, there may be indexing -- NLM isn't the only such source -- but I am emphatically in favor of the main article title using an authoritative name when one exists.  The fact that the title of the article is something odd, as long as users can get to it and search engines can find it, doesn't hurt usability in the least. Indeed, it may help, because the authoritative term should be the search string in things like MEDLINE. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 14:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::::I have a hard time believing that those are really the "authoritative terms".  They might be the authoritative terms after having been adjusted to be more easily found in an index.  But I'm not going to argue because it isn't worth it. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 19:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:::::Joe, I spent a number of years working at the Library of Congress, and indeed with NLM. As a chemist, I worked with the sometimes obscure nomenclature of the [[International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry]].
 
:::::You may be confusing "authoritative name" with "user-friendly name". They aren't the same. Further, as long as there is a user-friendly way a search engine can find a concept, why is it so important that the article title be user-friendly rather than authoritative? I guess I don't know why you are making an issue of this &mdash; it's a fairly basic concept in library science. From a human factors standpoint, the issue is having multiple names available. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 19:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Military Editor Qualifications ==
Howard, do you have any idea what would qualify someone to be a Military Group editor?  We have an applicant with 6 years military experience, but I have no idea what criteria to use for thie particular group. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 23:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:No simple answer. I could look at the background. For soldiers, look for command, training, or staff experience. For contractors/civil servants, look for things that indicate review or decisionmaking. Where things really get challenging is the avocational expert, soldier or civilian: I know medieval reenactors who are software engineers that know the [[Battle of Hastings]], or Viking raiding, as well as people of the time. The best historian of the Byzantine Empire that I know is an Army Engineer sergeant. Remember, Tom Clancy was an insurance agent. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 23:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Are you okay with my nominating [[Chester Nimitz]] for New Draft of the Week? ==
 
Let me know as soon as possible ... or sooner. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 03:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:Nimitz is fine, although I really should make it a priority to do some updates to it. I was going to get E.B. Potter's biography on interlibrary loan, but it's mostly available on Google. There are a bunch of other updates I can make, and look quickly for sourcing. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 04:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::It has been nominated. If you would like to add your vote as a supporter, please do so. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 07:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Block cipher ==
I've completed my move & am becoming active again. I've created [[AES competition]], but more things mentioned in last couple of sections of [[Talk:Block_cipher]] need doing, and I'd like editor input first.
 
Two main questions, quoting talk page:
 
* It is becoming clear we need a catalog listing many block ciphers, perhaps starting with WP's list. I'm not sure how to create that; I could do it with an HTML table but there may be a way that is more wiki-ish or easier. Suggestions? Volunteers?
 
* What it the right format for article names? Blowfish cipher? Blowfish block cipher? Blowfish (cryptography)? Blowfish (cipher)?
 
The first one is not urgent; we can do that when we get to it, though likely it should be done before approval. The second is urgent; I want to create articles, but am not certain what to call them. "Blowfish (cipher)" would be my first choice, but I do not feel strongly about it. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 05:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:I would say blowfish (cipher). And it can always be moved if it turns out to be the wrong choice.[[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 06:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::Welcome back. How's the new area?
 
::Catalogs confuse me as well, especially when they are more than a simple list; see [[Intelligence interrogation, U.S., George W. Bush Administration/Catalog]]. Daniel or Milton might be able to advise; we really need some style guides.
 
::Yes, I think Blowfish [minimal name] (word), where word preferably is a main article title. Right now, we have (block cipher), but if we have enough (cipher) articles, I think I'd prefer mildly, the more general if there is a (cipher) article.
 
::Increasingly, I've started disambiguating things both when the basic word is ambiguous (e.g., [[Arrow (missile)]], or when it's cryptic and doesn't suggest anything (e.g., [[Vympel R-33 (missile)]]). I may be rationalizing, but I haven't put a (encryptor) on KG-34 because it follows the [[TSEC-]] system, and it will always be written TSEC/KG-34. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 15:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::: I'd say (cipher) or (cryptography). Regarding catalogs: In this case a simple list of ciphers (classified according type, if feasable) is sufficient (similar to a Related articles subpage), maybe with the year it has been developed. Using the <nowiki> {{r}} </nowiki> template only if the definitions are reasonably different which they probably will not be. [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 16:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
That is done. Both [[block cipher]] and [[AES competition]] may now be close to approvable, and there are a whole lot of new (short, often incomplete) articles on specific ciphers or groups like CAST, RC*, SAFER, LOKI. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 01:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:In the process, Ive created at least a dozen small articles for individual block ciphers: [[Tiny Encryption Algorithm]], [[Square (cipher)]], etc. Most of these do not yet have subpages. What categories should they get? Obviously "computer", probably "mathematics", perhaps "military". I could just guess and/or mark them all for category check, but it seems better to ask.
 
: Should they have a "main" tag? Cryptography? Block cipher? I'd say that's unnecessary since they all start with "<name> is a [[block cipher]]..." anyway. What do you think & is there a policy? [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 07:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== linking acronyms ==
 
Just had a glance over [[cruiser]].  Should we be linking acronyms like "[[HMAS]]" and "[[DKM]]"?  I figured out HMAS right away but had trouble with DKM.  I presume the links would point to articles like [[Australian navy]] and [[Bundesmarine]].  Just a thought, but I didn't want to actually create the links without asking. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 23:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:I've taken a first shot, but it's a little tricky.  You'll see that I linked the acronym from a graphics caption, not a ship name, because the prefix ''is'' part of the ship name. We have, therefore, articles [[USS]] and ''[[USS Vincennes (CG-49)]]''. Germany used SMS and DKM, although I'm not sure that they use a prefix these days.  DKM is even stranger since one usually referred to the WWII command as OKM. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 23:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:: "SMS" should be "Seiner Majestät Schiff". [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 00:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:: Sorry, Howard, "Seine Majestäts Schiff" is still not correct. [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 00:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Peter, my German is non-native and mostly forgotten. Would you correct it, please? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 00:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::: Sure, I just did not want to interfere while you were working on it (and you know better where you used this phrase). Therefore I preferred to leave a message. You got it right in the definition, but not when moving the page. [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 10:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::::Having just looked over the [[Battle of Coronel]]), I do not think linking ship nationality prefixes (or whatever they are called) is a good idea.  It's just too much linking and gets in the way of authoring.  If a person is interested in what SMS means, they can (presumably) backlink through the SMS ''Scharnhorst'' page, etc.  And as Howard pointed out above, the prefix ''is'' part of the ship's name.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 12:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::::Well, that's rather why I wrote Battle of Coronel -- to explore what would happen. There's no question it is awkward for authoring. The prefix is part of the name. When we speak of "Mr. Smith", we don't link "Mr.", although I believe we do have an article somewhere that explains at least "miss" and "Mrs."
 
:::::It is practical and useful to have links for such thing as [[ADM]] and [[LTG]], but those aren't parts of names, but rather they are titles. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 14:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Grand Trunk Railway ==
 
Howard, I just nominated [[Grand Trunk Railway|this one]] for approval.  Please look it over.  It's in the engineering workgroup. (I don't know why).  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 20:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:We've generally put transportation into Engineering. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Kamehameha I ==
 
In my opinion, [[Kamehameha I]] is as close to being "complete" as it can be. I think I have covered all major aspects of his life. I am asking you four; Joe Quick (as approvals manager), Roger Lohmann (as a history and politics editor), Russell Jones (as a history editor), and Howard Berkowitz (as a military editor), to look over the article and suggest any changes you think neccessary. Between the five of us, I don't see why we can't get this article improved. Thanks for your time. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 09:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Returning to Vietnam ==
 
Well, here's [http://www.planetwaves.net/contents/saigon.html one site] that identified the picture I think we were thinking about.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 01:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Right; that's the most common one, which is not from the embassy. Note that it's a UH-1 helicopter, while the Embassy evacuation used much larger CH-53's.  [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 01:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Please comment on [[Earth's atmosphere]] ==
 
Howard, [[Earth's atmosphere]] is my first venture outside my field of expertise. I would appreciate any comments you may offer. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 19:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Articles on books... ==
 
I'd like to write an article on a book I recently read, ''The Age of Ra'' by James Lovegrove, and I wanted to take the time to ask a couple people about the mechanics of articles about books.
 
# Are plot summaries ok?
# Are lists of Characters ok, main characters or otherwise?
# Is it ok to take a picture of the front cover to use as a picture for the article?
# Is it ok to include an average retail price?
 
and finally
 
If included, should any of these things be put on a subpage?
 
Thanks Howard - [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 05:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:I've primarily been doing articles on nonfiction books, but on subjects where there is considerable reason to link to articles, include reviews, etc. See [[The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order]], [[The End of History and the Last Man]], etc.  Where I've done fiction, it's been part of a series such as [[Horatio Hornblower]] or [[Honor Harrington]]. Sounds like you might have other sorts of books in mind, but take what you like. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 05:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== History of Technology Subgroup ==
 
I wonder if the engineering and history folks couldn't get together on this? [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 17:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Makes sense. I might consider adding health sciences as well, as distinct from the pure sciences, because there are definitely technologies in healthcare.  Military is also a possibility, depending on how one defines technology -- does it include organization? I might also argue that any military technology has to be engineered. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 18:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::[[CZ:Subgroups#How_to_create_the_subgroup_pages|See this]].  You'd pipe engineering after history. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 20:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Welcome ==
 
Hi Howard,
 
A bit late in getting back to you but thanks for the welcome! I made my account quite a while ago but only now am I starting to get back to Citizendium. I'm really working on a bunch of different topics at the moment to help build the Citizendium database and draw new people to the site. The vibe I am getting from the overall atmosphere of the forums and recent events is "this is the big one", the year that proves if Citizendium can compete if you will. If that is indeed the case, I will gladly do my part to show it can! --[[User:Mehar Gill|Mehar Gill]] 03:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Natural number/Related Articles ==
 
Howard, you and Daniel have edited [[Natural number/Related Articles]].
Since our views on what should be included seem to differ
I would like to discuss what should and what should not be included to make the list useful.
See [[Talk:Natural_number#Related_Articles_-_What_to_include.3F|this]] section of the talk page.
[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 14:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== US states' RA pages ==
 
Okay, I can do that. I'm going to finish up the states right now and the remaining (31 to go) will use subheads. When I sweep through the states next, I will switch the others. Still, not sure why anyone would wish to link to the subheads. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 18:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Names of cities ==
 
I'm almost done adding the "principal cities" to the Related Articles pages for all 50 U.S. states. I will move all of those city articles whose names do not conform to CZ Naming Conventions (proper form: [[Anchorage, Alaska]]). This means moving ''Los Angeles'', for example (the article, not the city).
 
While doing the listings, I re-formatted those pages where necessary (changing '''bolding''' to subheads).
 
In case you're curious, I got the cities out of a road atlas, just using all those for which the atlas had inserts. There should be about 275 total, including almost all U.S. cities with population in excess of 100,000. Plus I made sure that all state capitals were included, and a very few others (Alamogordo, New Mexico comes to mind).
 
[[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 18:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== State articles (standard outline) ==
 
I have posted an outline on the ''South Dakota'' page intended to be used as a type of template for the writing of detailed articles on each of the U.S. states:
 
:http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/South_Dakota
 
Before copying it to all the other states' pages (or their associated talk pages), I would like to know if you have any comments or suggestions. If so, please add them to the ''South Dakota'' talk page.
 
[[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 01:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[CDC Bioterrorism Agents-Disease list]] ==
 
Hi Howard,
I think this list would fit best into a Catalogs subpage, but I have no idea what the most suitable article would be.
Can you please take a look and rename accordingly? Thanks! --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 11:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:If anything, Daniel, it should be renamed to "List", because that is the actual name of the document: "CDC Bioterrorism Agents-Disease List". It's not a CZ List/Catalog I created on my own. Is there a good way to qualify this, such as "Official List"? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::We do not keep lists in the main namespace unless on Catalogs subpages, so I moved this one around a bit, to finally land at [[CZ:List of bioterrorism agents and diseases (CDC)]]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 13:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:::I really would like this moved back. It is not a "list" in the conventional CZ sense, as it is accompanied by descriptions of categorizations of the organisms and is not a catalog. As a Military Workgroup Editor, I rule that it is the name of a document with official status in biological warfare, and the fact that the name contains the word "list" does not move it out of mainspace. There are a number of "lists" of export-controlled items, such as the Militarily Controlled Technologies List, where the actual item-by-item list is a relatively small part of the document, just as are the "schedules" in the [[Chemical Warfare Convention]]. There are, incidentally, a large number of links to this document, both as the article itself and its definition page in R-templates.[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 14:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Let's collaborate on generating a proposal ==
 
Howard,
 
We probably have done about as much as possible running the idea of involving an external organization with a proposed internet workgroup on the forum. I think we should now put our heads together and come up with some details. I will get some organization to the pages on the wishlist item [[CZ:Wishlist]] and let you know when that is done. In the meantime, maybe we can think about the tasks involved in getting a relationship going. What do you think? [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 21:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 
: OK, I have added some [[CZ:Wishlist | pages]] where we can do our work. Our wishlist item is the fifth one down, currently the last entry. Take a look at the pages and edit them according to your taste. I will start working on the proposal tomorrow morning by adding some ideas to the [[CZ:Wishlist/Establish Relationship with External Organization | Establish Relationship with External Organization]] page. If you want to get a headstart, go for it. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 22:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Al Shabab ==
 
I didn't want to distract the conversation you started in the forums, but you mentioned starting an article about Al Shabab.  I've seen some other news coverage about them recently, on something or other that was relatively important but which I can't recall.  [http://news.google.com/news?q=shabab Google news] might be a good place to start if you have any plans for expanding the article.  It always seems like a good idea (though frequently an impractical one) to try to stay a little ahead of what the public is likely to be looking up. Unfortunately, all I know is that Al Shabab seems to be a pretty big player in Somali politics, as it seems to control rather a lot of territory.--[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 15:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Got it. It was an [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/world/africa/22briefs-Somalia.html attack on an African Union base] at the end of August.  Incidentally, the NY Times, though as a news outlet it's not as inherently reliable as some other sources might be, has a pretty good [http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/al-shabab/index.html summary] of just what the organization is about. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 15:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::Sorry for the delayed response; I had to work until much later than usual yesterday.  I don't think the [[Somalia]] article is really ready to be featured as an article of the week yet: it doesn't contain any information about the geography, natural resources, or cultures of the country yet.  The material about wars and conflict is good, but if we feature it with only that material, I'm afraid we'd be sending a pretty negative message about Somalia.  I wish I knew enough to expand those other sections.  The [[al-Shabab]] article is an admirable start, and very pertinent to current events, so I'm going to nominate it for NDOTW. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 13:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Dunno how to encourage collaboration on [[Somalia]] short of actually asking people.  I noticed there isn't yet a plan for the write-a-thon theme next month so I suggested "continents."  I guess the idea for "[[CZ:Big Collaboration|Big Collaborations]]" never really went anywhere, though we could try to revive it... --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 17:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Charter drafting candidacy ==
 
Hi Howard,
 
Thanks for accepting your nomination to be a candidate for election to the drafting committee for the Citizendium charter.
 
If you'd like, there is a provision in the plan that provides a place for you to compose a position statement.  You are not required to do this in order to be a candidate for election to the committee, but it would be helpful to others during the voting period.  Even if you don't compose a statement before the election period concludes, should you be elected it might be helpful for other members of the committee to know what you feel are the most important issues to address with the draft. You can find a red link to the page where you can write your statement [[CZ:Charter_drafting_committee/Position_statements|here]], along with instructions for doing so.
 
If you have any questions, just let me know. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 15:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Please respond to my request on the talk page of the Internet article ==
 
Howard,
 
I have stated my views on rolling back the Internet article to the old text. You decided to do this (perhaps before reading my comments on the Internet talk page). I don't want to get into an edit war with you, so would you take the time to respond to my comments? Thanks. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 04:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Clean-up ==
 
Howard, re history of computers: I believe the following page needs some work:
[[List_of_seminal_concepts_in_computer_science]] --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 15:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:On this, I'm not even sure where to start or what we want to do. It seems to me more like a list of work items for the computers workgroup than an actual article. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 17:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
Another page needing attention is [[RF_electronics]]. You did some work on it. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 17:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:Actually, this came from [[User: Sekhar Talluri]], as part of a series of edits he made in May. My edits were to try to bring it into more conformity with [[radio]]. If he isn't actively working on the topic, perhaps the better fix is to find out where this text was referenced, and see what is specific to his instrumentation articles and what can be a more general part of the radio article.
 
:If it's about MRI, I really would like a guide to that black art. I think I understand CT and SPECT, but how the image gets formed in MRI always has mystified me. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 17:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[Natural gas]] ==
 
Thanks for your comments on [[Natural gas]]. I have implemented your suggestion that I replace the word "natural gas" with the word "methane' wherever it is appropriate. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 06:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== speech recognition ==
 
Howard, do you know enough about [[Speech Recognition]] to feel comfortable approving it as a Computers Editor?  It looks like a bunch of people have put in quite a lot of work.  I only skimmed quickly but it looks like good work, too.  At minimum, we need to move the article to a lowercase title before we approve, but that might be just about all.<br /> Thanks,<br /> Joe ([[User:Approvals Manager|Approvals Manager]]) 05:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Is this reference pertinent to your article on [[Agent Orange]]? ==
 
"A Database on Dioxin and Furan Emissions from Municipal Incinerators", M.R. Beychok (1987), ''Atmospheric Environment", Volume 21, Number 1, pp.29-36
 
(I happen to know the author fairly well) [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 07:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:Hi, Howard. Can you use the above reference or not? Let me know. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 20:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::Nope, that article was written about 23 years ago and people were just beginning to wake up to the idea that dioxin and furan emission regulations were needed. The U.S. EPA's regulations had not been promulgated as yet. The method's for analyzing dioxins and furan emissions in the parts per trillion range didn't really exist as yet. My paper was one of the first that tried to provide a data base from which a commonly-accepted characterization of those emissions might be evolved. I just thought it might be of interest in your Agent Orange viewpoint from a historical viewpoint. I no longer have a copy . If you wanted to read it, it would require a visit to a library with ''Atmospheric Environment'' copies dating back to the 1980s. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[The Forgotten Soldier]] ==
 
Hi, Howard, I've done a little cleaning up here and subpaging etc., but it could use some more and it clearly falls under your editorship.  It appears to be mostly derived from the WP article but is almost entirely paraphrased so it *probably* doesn't need the WP checkbox, but that is your decision, I would say.  Thanks. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 17:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 
Hey Howard, thanks for helping out. I started reading the book a few days ago and was completely amazed at how good it is. The Wikipedia article does it no justice so I thought I should create one on Citizendium. I will be adding to it overtime, hopefully it can become a approved article before the end of the month.
 
Thank you for those recommendations, I will have to put it on list, I don't want to take on too many articles at one time so I will have to finish the ones I have already started work on before moving on with more.
 
Thanks again! --[[User:Mehar Gill|Mehar Gill]] 18:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Bernie Schriever ==
 
What about at least a stub about him?  A big new important book about him has just come out? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 04:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:The Air Force general? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 05:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 
::Yup, first page review of the book in the Sunday NYT book section -- says he was a *very* very important man that most people have now forgotten. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/books/review/Beschloss-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Bernard%20Schriever&st=cse [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:::OK. Essentially father of the US ICBM program. There are three redlinks to Schriever Air Force Base.
 
:::I'd be willing to review an article on him, but, for my own article creation, I'm tending to focus on things that help give background for the current world situation, military force development, etc. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 19:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Term/Title for industry ==
 
Howard, look at my latest response to you on [[Talk:Petroleum crude oil]]. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Anycasting ==
 
Howard, you mentioned [[Anycasting]]. I have not forgotten it. But there are still the two dead links. You wanted to replace them. See [[Talk:Anycasting#Remarks|talk]] (I think they could also be deleted.) 
<br>
Are you familiar with WebCite? Could/should this be used for your online links?
<br> [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 20:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 
: I have just nominated Anycasting for approval. Have a look on my copy editing. Moreover, the third link in External Links is broken. You will have to replace or delete it. What about WebCite? [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 23:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:: If you also don't know WebCite this can wait until we find someone who knows more about it. [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 00:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 
Howard, you are of course busy with the charter.
But perhaps you can spare a little time and look at [[User talk:David MacQuigg#Anycasting]].
[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 23:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Barbeque & Cancer ==
Perhaps a section on the barbeque-induced production of benzo[a]pyrene and many other fine cancer-causing chemicals would kill the joy out of the lovely barbeque food people enjoy. Now that I think of it, how would a guy "name" a page for something like benzo[a]pyrene with the square brackets??  Perhaps some nowiki tags in the name of the article? [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 20:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 
%5D and %5B? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 00:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Nazi military and SS ranks ==
 
That's a very informative article, I've bookmarked it, great work! What else needs to be done before it is ready for approval? --[[User:Mehar Gill|Mehar Gill]] 03:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Oops ==
 
I've done [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Homeopathy&curid=100094510&diff=100587748&oldid=100510926 that] before!  You edited the approved version. :-) [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Where to begin? ==
 
Howard, if you were to want someone to take a look at an article and give you a little active feedback :), where would you send them first? [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 01:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:Let me offer several articles that are on top of hierarchies. First, "functional":
*[[Interrogation]]
*[[Extrajudicial detention]]
 
:And then subject areas:
*[[Afghanistan War (2001-)]]
*[[al-Qaeda]]
*[[Taliban]]
*[[Iraq War]]
*[[Gulf War]]
 
:Thanks! [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 01:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 
::I started on Interrogation.  Lots of good information there!  I like the real stuff (like how they could tell what base the pictures were taken from:).  I guess you can't have too much of that, but it did make it more interesting.  I've been checking resources, too, and so far everything looks good.  I started making remarks on the talk page ( I saw you handled the Reid technique), but then decided that most were just some minor re-wording to make it clearer because i, as a lay person, was not familiar with a term and had to read it a couple times.  I don't think I changed the meaning of much, but if I did, do revert it.  I'll continue again tomorrow!  FOr now, I'm gonna get some shut-eye!  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Domain name system ==
 
Howard, if you find time, could you have a look at [[Talk:Domain Name System#Preparing for approval|DNS]]. Moreover, perhaps you should also review the article once more (and also check my copy edits). [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 23:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
: Just a reminder. And what is your opinion on the status of [[Anycasting/Draft]]? [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 13:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[phytotherapy]] ==
Howard, I have no imediate plans to expand [[phytotherapy]] but may work on interlinking it with my current work today in the future. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 19:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Very cool and user-friendly way to handle footnotes in web publications ==
 
{{Image|Webformatfootnote.png|left|500px|A very cool and user-friendly way to handle footnotes in web publications. CZ should do this.}}
{{UnsignedShort|Stephen Ewen}}
:Interesting, though I do not know how to change text colour on mouse over. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 11:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[Block cipher]] ==
 
This article is now number four on [[Special:MostRevisions]], at well over 1000 edits. You said at one point [[Talk:Block_cipher#Procedurally_confused]] "I'm perfectly happy to nominate, though." Can we go forward with that? [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 15:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 
== U.S. Congress members' pages ==
 
By all means, let me know what standard sections should be included on the pages for members of the U.S. Congress. Probably a section on committee assignments. Maybe a section for voting record. If you can develop a standard template or outline for structuring such articles (such as exists for the state articles - see the article on ''South Dakota'', for example), then I would be happy to follow that outline on any U.S. Congress members' pages on which I work. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 23:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:In my recent additions to the states' ''Related Article'' pages, I have been entering the names of Senate and House members as they appear on the Senate and House web sites (http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov). This means that some of them include middle initials. If the CZ page does not include the middle initial, it will have to be taken out in order for the link to be removed. In the long run, I believe that the page name should match the name whcih the Congressperson uses on his or her official Senate or House web site. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 02:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
::Unfortunately, they aren't always consistent even in their own websites, or the website might be "James X. Jones" but all campaign literature refers to "Jim Jones". [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 02:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Good point. Another suggestion I have is to work from the states' ''Related Article'' pages when making definitions or lemma articles. I have found 4 mis-assigned states so far. If the states' RA pages are used, that would provide an automatic check on at least that datum. The entries into the states' RA pages are made directly from the state-by-state listing on the official House web site. I expect to complete those listings in the next day or so. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 03:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
::::That's certainly logical. In general, however, I have been starting the entry from lists of committee or caucus members, which again aren't always consistent about names. The cross-check, however, certainly is reasonable. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 03:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Voting ratings for Congressional personnel ==
 
I just constructed a wikitable for the Voter ratings (see the ''Tim Johnson'' page). The third column is for a ''Source''. The Christian Coalition is referenced in the table. Their scorecard gives Johnson a 30%. Where did you get the 16% rating which you had listed?
 
Also, it appears that the NRA ratings are in a members-only section of their web site.
 
The idea is to get that table all ready to go before copying it into 435 separate pages.
 
[[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 17:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:Christian Coalition was from On he Issues.
 
:You might be interested in some more methodology. When I saw [[James Oberstar]] as a redlink, I did a text search. That gave me several "related articles" pages where he was part of an imparted list; I created the entry under [[Congressional Native American Caucus]].  He also came up on [[U.S. Congressional Caucuses]], which is an odd topic -- many of the caucuses have no webpage or limited documentation, and the membership builds up only from the listed leaders, and people mentioning it in their biography. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 18:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Hey Howard ==
 
Can you [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Block_cipher/Draft#APPROVED_Version_1.0 check this out].  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Congresspersons: "bare bones" article ==
 
I have been developing the [[Stephanie Herseth Sandlin]] article as an example of a "bare bones" article for U.S. Congress members. Of course, the voter ratings need to be filled in and I think there may be some more Congressional Caucuses also. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 02:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== More questions ==
Can you have a look at [[Talk:Brute_force_attack/Draft#Approved_Version_1.0]] and [[Talk:VENONA]]?
 
I think [[cryptography]] is getting close to approvability (is that a word?). What are your thoughts on that? [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 05:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:Will do. I'm still musing that [[stream cipher]] is being drafted at the same time as [[urinary retention]].
 
:I saw you did a redirect of [[code (cryptography)]], which makes sense. Should there be, however, a definition on the redirect so code can be used in related articles tables? For that matter, I suspect we need a disambiguation page for code; I can do that. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 14:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Howard Katz Berkowitz? ==
 
Did you see the [[Special:Log/delete|Deletion log]]? Is this an alter-ego, an impersonator, an admirer or a long-lost brother? Heh. –[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:Presumably, Hayford's alter ego.  If and when my feline associates register, they will be more subtle about it. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 18:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 
::Howard's katz, or someone, will write up a Forum message about this one of these days. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 19:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Before I forget.. ==
 
Take a look at [[Talk:U._S._intelligence_activities_in_Guatemala]]. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 03:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[Free statistical software]] ==
 
Howard, [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Free_statistical_software#correcting_a_footnote this] is from the Approved errors list.  It needs your input and I can do it. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 18:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

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If you have something to say to me, feel free to email. If it relates to an article, I certainly will respond appropriately on article talk pages, and recommend Workgroup or Subgroup talk pages for content issues. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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