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Not sure the last sentence ("Republican violence since 1968 has ensured that a lasting and stable settlement of the relationship between North and South has remained elusive, even as the British government has signaled a willingness to divest itself of its commitments in Northern Ireland should a majority of that community so desire.") is ok - really needs to be amended in light of the Good Friday Agreement. Most paramilitiaries now on permanent ceasefire following decommissioning of arms, and the establishment of the power-sharing Northern Ireland Assembly. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 18:17, 7 May 2008 (CDT) | |||
I don't think its fair to say Home Rule was essentially a conservative movement, (a la, "Similarly, the essentially conservative home rule movement, which sought to provide security for Irish Protestants and guarantees for British strategic interests, ultimately failed in the face of Unionist and Republican intransigence") | |||
Radicals like Pearse accepted Home Rule for a long time; the will of the Irish people was overwhelmingly behind it and it met fierce criticism from the 'conservative' Unionists, military establishment ([[The Curragh Mutiny]], for example) and of course the UK Conservative party (Lord Randoplh Churchill famously played the Orange Card). And although there were political reasons behind it, the Home Rule movement merged with the Land League movement, a truly radical project. Although Gladstone, the progressive thinker that he was recognised Irish sentiment needed to be met, many of his contemporaries didn't feel this way and even split his Liberal party. And on another note, Catholics far outnumbered Protestants within the movement, including within the Leadership. It was in large part a stroke of fate that the Protestant Parnell led it for so long; his personal pride in being Irish was very important. (The novel 'How Many Miles to Babylon' gives a good description of what its like being a nationalist protestant in pre 1916 Ireland) | |||
I'm not saying its wrong either, but it does give the wrong impression. [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 19:02, 7 May 2008 (CDT) | |||
==Celtic Tiger Era Ended?== | |||
It might be a little too early in the recession to say the Celtic Tiger has ended. We'll be better able to make a comment like that in a year or so! 08:55, 23 August 2008 (CDT) | |||
== Abandoned? == | |||
Nothing appears to have been added to this article during the last 18 months. Does anyone plan to complete it? [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 08:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 01:36, 17 December 2010
Recent history
Not sure the last sentence ("Republican violence since 1968 has ensured that a lasting and stable settlement of the relationship between North and South has remained elusive, even as the British government has signaled a willingness to divest itself of its commitments in Northern Ireland should a majority of that community so desire.") is ok - really needs to be amended in light of the Good Friday Agreement. Most paramilitiaries now on permanent ceasefire following decommissioning of arms, and the establishment of the power-sharing Northern Ireland Assembly. Anton Sweeney 18:17, 7 May 2008 (CDT)
I don't think its fair to say Home Rule was essentially a conservative movement, (a la, "Similarly, the essentially conservative home rule movement, which sought to provide security for Irish Protestants and guarantees for British strategic interests, ultimately failed in the face of Unionist and Republican intransigence")
Radicals like Pearse accepted Home Rule for a long time; the will of the Irish people was overwhelmingly behind it and it met fierce criticism from the 'conservative' Unionists, military establishment (The Curragh Mutiny, for example) and of course the UK Conservative party (Lord Randoplh Churchill famously played the Orange Card). And although there were political reasons behind it, the Home Rule movement merged with the Land League movement, a truly radical project. Although Gladstone, the progressive thinker that he was recognised Irish sentiment needed to be met, many of his contemporaries didn't feel this way and even split his Liberal party. And on another note, Catholics far outnumbered Protestants within the movement, including within the Leadership. It was in large part a stroke of fate that the Protestant Parnell led it for so long; his personal pride in being Irish was very important. (The novel 'How Many Miles to Babylon' gives a good description of what its like being a nationalist protestant in pre 1916 Ireland)
I'm not saying its wrong either, but it does give the wrong impression. Denis Cavanagh 19:02, 7 May 2008 (CDT)
Celtic Tiger Era Ended?
It might be a little too early in the recession to say the Celtic Tiger has ended. We'll be better able to make a comment like that in a year or so! 08:55, 23 August 2008 (CDT)
Abandoned?
Nothing appears to have been added to this article during the last 18 months. Does anyone plan to complete it? Nick Gardner 08:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)