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This does not read like an encyclopedic article. Rather it reads like an argument about the pro's and con's of fighting for or against the Nazi's. The "rationale" for why someone might fight for the RLM is apart from the history of the RLM. Would the author like me to try my hand? [[User:Will Nesbitt|Will Nesbitt]] 06:18, 23 May 2007 (CDT) | This does not read like an encyclopedic article. Rather it reads like an argument about the pro's and con's of fighting for or against the Nazi's. The "rationale" for why someone might fight for the RLM is apart from the history of the RLM. Would the author like me to try my hand? [[User:Will Nesbitt|Will Nesbitt]] 06:18, 23 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
: I have been meaning to do something about this. I am preparing a lecture on the topic, so maybe I should write a more straightforward encyclopedic article. --[[User:Morten Juhl Johansen|Morten Juhl Johansen]] 01:20, 16 November 2007 (CST) | : I have been meaning to do something about this. I am preparing a lecture on the topic, so maybe I should write a more straightforward encyclopedic article. --[[User:Morten Juhl Johansen|Morten Juhl Johansen]] 01:20, 16 November 2007 (CST) | ||
::I'm completely replacing the 2007 content. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 21:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Bob Willis (are you sure it isn't Bob Wills [Is Still the King])? == | |||
That's a *very* interesting monograph, although he is far from being a Wordsmith, that's fer sure! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 02:55, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Monographs from SAMS, the advanced and optional phase of the [[Command and General Staff College]], tend to be thoughtful if not wordsmithed. This is the spot in which very bright officers are encouraged to challenge the conventional wisdom. (closest I got was being my mother's study partner for the CGSC correspondence program, before SAMS existed) | |||
:Without suggesting the ideologies were comparable, I assume you refer to his comparisons of preparation for the post-invasion situation in two very different invasions? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 22:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
::No, I stopped reading when he got to Iraq. I was referring to the Russian stuff only. I was aware of most of it a vague way, but had never read that much detail about it.[[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 22:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Seriously, your opinion on the article, which I had never noticed before Meg mentioned it, is welcome. I was rather appalled by what had been there, and, since there were no sources in the confused writing, did what I considered a quick-and-dirty replacement. It's a complex subject that could use wordsmithing. | |||
:::Since I don't read Russian, I can't do a lot more with it, although I'll probably get one interlibrary loan. There are a lot of essentially tertiary references to Stalin's suicide-before-surrender references, but I haven't found one that seems authoritative. Sudoplatov's book is at my elbow, and doesn't mention it. | |||
:::Apropos of the two...gentlemen...you mentioned, it wouldn't have been bad if they had read even a U.S. document, [[Operation Rankin]]. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 22:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::If you come across a quote or paragraph in Russian that you think might be relevant here, just drop me a line, and I'll translate it. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 23:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
== General challenges of this article(s)== | |||
There needs to be reasonably sourced, as well as synthesized, discussion of the German and Russian strategic thinking beyond the immediate invasion situation, not necessarily in this article. The development of Soviet wartime propaganda is a substantial area, from the initial and somewhat ineffective defense attitudes that led to the spontaneous uprising, to Ilya Ehrenburg late in the war. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 14:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
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This does not read like an encyclopedic article. Rather it reads like an argument about the pro's and con's of fighting for or against the Nazi's. The "rationale" for why someone might fight for the RLM is apart from the history of the RLM. Would the author like me to try my hand? Will Nesbitt 06:18, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
- I have been meaning to do something about this. I am preparing a lecture on the topic, so maybe I should write a more straightforward encyclopedic article. --Morten Juhl Johansen 01:20, 16 November 2007 (CST)
- I'm completely replacing the 2007 content. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Bob Willis (are you sure it isn't Bob Wills [Is Still the King])?
That's a *very* interesting monograph, although he is far from being a Wordsmith, that's fer sure! Hayford Peirce 02:55, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- Monographs from SAMS, the advanced and optional phase of the Command and General Staff College, tend to be thoughtful if not wordsmithed. This is the spot in which very bright officers are encouraged to challenge the conventional wisdom. (closest I got was being my mother's study partner for the CGSC correspondence program, before SAMS existed)
- Without suggesting the ideologies were comparable, I assume you refer to his comparisons of preparation for the post-invasion situation in two very different invasions? Howard C. Berkowitz 22:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, I stopped reading when he got to Iraq. I was referring to the Russian stuff only. I was aware of most of it a vague way, but had never read that much detail about it.Hayford Peirce 22:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- Seriously, your opinion on the article, which I had never noticed before Meg mentioned it, is welcome. I was rather appalled by what had been there, and, since there were no sources in the confused writing, did what I considered a quick-and-dirty replacement. It's a complex subject that could use wordsmithing.
- Since I don't read Russian, I can't do a lot more with it, although I'll probably get one interlibrary loan. There are a lot of essentially tertiary references to Stalin's suicide-before-surrender references, but I haven't found one that seems authoritative. Sudoplatov's book is at my elbow, and doesn't mention it.
- Apropos of the two...gentlemen...you mentioned, it wouldn't have been bad if they had read even a U.S. document, Operation Rankin. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- If you come across a quote or paragraph in Russian that you think might be relevant here, just drop me a line, and I'll translate it. --Daniel Mietchen 23:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
General challenges of this article(s)
There needs to be reasonably sourced, as well as synthesized, discussion of the German and Russian strategic thinking beyond the immediate invasion situation, not necessarily in this article. The development of Soviet wartime propaganda is a substantial area, from the initial and somewhat ineffective defense attitudes that led to the spontaneous uprising, to Ilya Ehrenburg late in the war. Howard C. Berkowitz 14:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)