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=== Welcome ===


{{awelcome}}
You can find some more information about our collaboration groups if you follow this link [[Citizendium_Pilot:Discipline_Workgroups]].You can always ask me on my talk page or others about how to proceed or any other question you might have.
--[[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 23:42, 10 May 2007 (CDT) +17 hours (EPT)
== Ben Tilden ==
Hayford, good to see you fast at work already!  If you give me the exact diff at wikipedia that you parsed the article from, I can help to verify that you wrote most of it, then we might be able to take off the "content is form WP" from the bottom of the page.  Also, did you see [[CZ:Introduction to CZ for Wikipedians]].  Leave a message on my talk about the wikipedia diff and I'll see what I can do. --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 20:39, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I looked through the history and saw that you definitely wrote most of it, but I think we would have to go back further before we could take off the checkbox.  Such a shame :-)  You wrote most of it for sure.  Though, if you make enough changes that it no longer resembles the wikipedia article, we can still take off the checkbox.  You can look at it again once you've finished cleaning it up.  Don't forget to add the [[CZ:The Article Checklist]] to your articles!  It helps your workgroup keep track of the status of articles so you can get them approved.  If you need help on the first one, let me know.  --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 22:00, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
== WPauthor template ==
By the way, where did you find that <nowiki>{{WPauthor}}</nowiki> template :-) --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 13:57, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
My apologies for sending you on a wild goose hunt.  Hopefully, I fit somewhere between the nutz and the crazies and nowhere near the Nazis. --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 19:30, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
==links==
see my talk --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 13:37, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
== [[The Catcher in the Rye]] ==
When you see articles like that, put the [[Template:Speedydelete]] on it and then a constable (like me) will look at it and decide if it fits any of [[CZ:Article Deletion Policy|Article Deletion Policy]] guidelines that we can use.  Otherwise, bring it to the attention of an editor.  If you put a speedydelete template on this one, I could technically delete it as an "imported article with no significant changes in 2 weeks".  Go ahead and give it a try. --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 21:41, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
There you go! If you find anymore of those, just slap that tag on them and we'll take it from there.  --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 22:24, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
==[[:Image:Smallbone Deceased cover.jpg]]==
Hi Hayford. Please see [[Help:Images#.22Fair_use.22]].  In this case, the thing to do is to seek permission from the copyright holder of the book and document each attempt to reach them while trying to achieve this. ''Then if that fails'' consider whether to make a fair use claim. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 16:48, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
{{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}}
:Hayford, I'm the one who originally posted about the cover of ''Smallbone Deceased'' -- let me also look into whether I can find a fair-use or licensed version of this image.  I have the book, and can scan it -- I am hoping I can also find an appropriate license or fairuse way to have it here on CZ!  [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 22:16, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
==Information Template==
Hi Hayford,
I saw your note on Steve Ewen's talk page about the upload process.  It's kind of a hassle to have to open a new program just to upload a photo, so I've copied below the template sans contents.  Just be sure to copy it as it shows up here and not the way that I typed it into the editing box because I added in some formatting code that doesn't belong in the template. :)  You might also copy it to your user page, if you think that would be helpful. Hope this helps. [[User:Joe Quick|--Joe Quick]]  ([[User talk:Joe Quick|Talk]]) 15:14, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
<pre><nowiki>
{{Information
|Description=
|Source=
|Date=
|Author=
|Permission=
|other_versions= (optional variable, can be left out)
}}
</nowiki></pre>
:I am in process of figuring out how to improve the [[Special:upload]] page and did figure out, for now and so far, how to at least enlarge the tiny Summary window on the page. It only takes replacing the number 6 with '''25''' in a certain place in a file called SpecialUpload.php; so, I emailed the tech guys and hopefully they'll make that change very soon. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 00:23, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
==Image==
Note how I tidied [[:Image:Fred_Perry_Statue_at_Wimbledon.jpg]]. That sort of precise data is the goal. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 01:21, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
== Before asking that permission ==
See my talk again. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:41, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
== ID ==
Mr. Peirce, my ID is not to be seen related to a theory, as a mater of fact everybody has an ID. It seems to me id, or ID redirecting to intelligent design seems not a good idea. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:grey">&nbsp;<font color="yellow"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span> 23:29, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
== ID theft ==
good luck with that topic :) in the digital age that is important, so I still am not happy with your redirect. ID and ID theft are not related to your redirect but are important enough to discriminate them seperately and not according to a common short hand. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:grey">&nbsp;<font color="yellow"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span> 23:40, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
==Hello backatcha==
I haven't even dipped a toe in the water here--just looked around. When I have more time, I'll see what I can get up to. Meanwhile, ''Locus'' wants a what-Heinlein-means-to-me essay for their RAH centennial issue, and I have just over three weeks to figure something out. [[User:Russell Letson|Russell Letson]] 21:17, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
== Quill Pens ==
Touché, Hayford.  ''Touché.''
--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 08:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
== Toast ==
Hayford-
First I'd like to confess that I'm not an all encompassing expert on CZ style''(yet..)'', however it seems to me that the Bread article is way too categorical, of which I am totally guilty of sometimes as well.  I am under the impression that articles should be more or less a running narrative on the subject, so it might be reworked to be less sliced and more loafed.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:44, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
== Special characters ==
Hi Hayford --
Special alphabetical characters are available on most keyboards -- I'm a Mac man, for instance, so I can get my accents with option-downaccent-e, which gives me '''è''', or option-e-e, which gives me '''é''' -- would this work for you?
== I responded to you at my talk page ==
Thanks for showing interest in my contributions! I responded to you at my talk page. [[User:Nathaniel Dektor|Nathaniel Dektor]] 19:54, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
== copyediting ==
Hayford, I must beg to differ.  As the author of two books and dozens of book chapters and journal articles, of course I have dealt with copyeditors before -- and yet, just as there is quality in writing, there is quality in copyediting.  Indeed, there is even give and take (I have, on many occasions, decided not to accept one or another changed reading made by a copyeditor, and this has always been handled professionally, that is, discussed and then the final say was with me (provided there was no unquestionable departure from grammar or the publisher's own style sheets).  Copyediting which changes the meaning of phrases and then gets defensive is not copyediting which would be very much valued in the world of print,  no more than it ought to be in the electronic world. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 18:41, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
== Hey... ==
Is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayford_Peirce this] you? Glad to see a sci-fi author on CZ. Just a question, I'm looking forward to write an article on Brave New World, does it count as sci-fi genre? Thanks. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 19:18, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
== John Franklin Bardin ==
Hayford, good heavens yes, I am a lifelong (well, since my college years) fan of John Franklin Bardin.  Not only is he named after my favorite explorer, Sir [[John Franklin]], but his blend of precipitous psychological terror with a freakshow's worth of human oddities is really without parallel!
Of course I am most fond of The Deadly Percheron, which I re-read at least once every five years or so; his others I have read once, but not recently.  The newest edition of Percheron has a tempting excerpt from a "last unpublished novel" -- perhaps that will be out soon?  The publisher is Millipede Press.  Cheers, [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 12:04, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
== dog/draft ==
Short answer: Yep--good call at [[Dog/Draft]] today. [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 19:22, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
== [[French fries]] ==
So, what time is dinner tonight, your place? :-D ---[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:18, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
== Food pornography ==
Does the example photo I uploaded for [[food photography]] constitute "food porn"? :-) [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 17:12, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:Yep, because the guy who took it is a freelance photographer. I sent him a message notifying that the image is used here. But is there a possibility that he revokes the cc license after knowing it? [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 17:32, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::I will ask later. I have already posted several messages on Stephen's talk page, more ones would be bothering him too much. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 17:42, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Don't worry about "bothering me too much".  It is too late for him to revoke the license, even if he wanted to. ---[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:23, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
== Why the GFDL is a bad license for individual photos ==
If someone wants to reuse a photo licensed under the GFDL, they must per the terms of the license include the '''full''' two-page GFDL license along with the re-use. So, for example, if I wanted to use your photo in a pamphlet, magazine, or book, I would have to reserve space to print the '''full''' GFDL license.  The GFDL is a terrible license for photos.  Creative Comons is much better, since the entire requirement is two ''sentences'' rather than two ''pages'' long. Most people simply reject using a GFDL photo, except within GFDL text.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:53, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
== Image licenses ==
Hayford-
Why don't you use Creative Commons cc-by-sa 3.0?  http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
See http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/meet-the-licenses for more information. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 14:50, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
==[[:Image:Blanquette_de_veau.jpg]]==
Something tells me "LeChatMachine" is not the fellow's real name. :-)
See [[Help:Images#Images_from_Wikipedia.2C_Wikimedia_Commons.2C_Flickr.2C_Openphoto.net.2C_etc.]]
I sent him the following:
<pre>
Hi.
A Citizendium author has uploaded your image for use
in http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Blanquette_de_veau. 
However, per http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Help:Images
#Images_from_Wikipedia.2C_Wikimedia_Commons.2C_Flickr.2C_
Openphoto.net.2C_etc. I need to delete the image unless
you can let us know your real name.  If you prefer, we
can also remove the link to your flickr page in that case. 
Let me know!
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Stephen_Ewen
</pre>
[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:55, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
:Well, yes, I myself had figgered that out, hehe.  And in *real* French it woulda been LeChatMachin, not Machine.  But I didn't know that requiring real names extended to the source of photos -- I thought it was just for our own humble selves.  Anyway, I'm that this mini-crisis will be dealt with.... Cheers! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 22:56, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
The matter is settled. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 12:30, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
:Many thanks! But see my comment on your discussion page.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:32, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
== Signing edits ==
Hayford, don't forget to sign your posts with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 09:08, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
== [[Diffusion of innovations]] ==
Looks like three folk from the same university, a prof, a specialist, and a student, are doing something. I am just going to let them go and watch a while. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:03, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
== [[McDonald's]] ==
I started [[McDonald's]], since you are the expert on food, you may be interested in taking a look at it and/or make changes. Regards. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 17:33, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
:Hello, on McDonald's, what is the "false information" I wrote that you are referring to? Regards. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 09:36, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing that out. It was my knee-jerk reaction to call the founders of corporations "industrialists" (JD Rockefeller, for example). I didn't know they were just small hamburger-sellers. :-) Also for the human rights part you disputed with John, McDonald's was not found of human rights violation by any British courts, but by the European Court of Human Rights, which ruled that British libel laws are over-oppressive and the environmentalists were denied legal aid, basically. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 11:06, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
== [[:Image:Mai_tai.jpg]] ==
Hayford, the source link points to nothing. You probably still have it in your browser's history. Can you add it please?  Thanks, [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:13, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
== References ==
Hayford, here is my basic illustration for how to provide a reference:
<nowiki>
website - <ref> {{cite web | url="" | date="" | author="" | title="" | accessdate="" }} </ref></nowiki>
<br>
<nowiki>
journal - <ref> {{cite journal | author="" | journal="" | year="" | title="" | number="" | volume="" | pages="" }} </ref></nowiki>
<br>
<nowiki>
book - <ref> {{cite book |last="" |first="" |authorlink="" |coauthors="" |title="" |year="" |publisher="" |location="" |isbn="" }}  </ref>
</nowiki>
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Citation_templates
== Hayford's Bar ==
See [http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/w/ewenste/hayford's_bar.png this]. :D  --[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:27, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
:And [[User:Stephen_Ewen/Scratch_Pad3|this]] :-D  ---[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 19:44, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
== [[:Image:4th of July Burger.jpg]] ==
I strongly protest this photo.  There are vitamins in it.  :-D  But seriously, if the hamburger is almost certainly American, the flag would be appropriate. &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 13:10, 1 July 2007 (CDT)
==Navy Grog==
I added some early history of Grog, it was invented in 1740, much earlier than originally stated.[[User:Charles F. Radley|Charles F. Radley]] 21:20, 1 July 2007 (CDT)
== Food images ==
Nope, [[:Image:Vitello_tonnato_1.jpg]] is not released under the Creative Commons, see  [http://flickr.com/photos/75268079@N00/357432910/ its source page] again; note it says © All rights reserved, middle-right. I emailed her to ask her to change it to a CC license.  Careful! &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 01:45, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry the author changed the licensing data before you saw the page saying © All rights reserved.  That must have been frustrating.  At any rate, the photo is all free and clear now.  &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 14:25, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
==[[:Image:Don Beach Front Cover.jpg]]==
Note the tag. Any others? &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 02:31, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
:I can't make out the detail of [[:Image:Don_Beach_Front_Cover.jpg]]. Do you have an image of it that same size as the back cover?  &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 14:54, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
Just document the attempts on one page for now. I'll create redirects to the one from each image for now. All of these images are gems, BTW. Say, it would be awesome to get old photos of inside and outside the restaurant. &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 23:45, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
== Roger Federer ==
Feel free to contribute more if you'd like --[[User:Charles Sandberg|Charles Sandberg]] 07:01, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
== Bjorn Borg ==
Thanks for changing the name. I knew he had the two dots but I wasn't sure how to do it with this software, so I just left it without it. Thank you. --[[User:Charles Sandberg|Charles Sandberg]] 17:17, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
== Noncombatants ==
Hayford,  as one fan of felicitous phrase to another: I think we should use "civilians" rather than "noncombatants," since the latter implies that combat is active in the area, which though made familiar through news headlines in Iraq, does not apply to attacks in London, Glasgow, New York, and Oklahoma City, where there is no active combat and therefore no ''combatants''.  [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 20:36, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
==using tennis table template==
No problem, templates are not exactly intuitive.  The template is set up so that you can add the information to the different fields. The template then arranges that information into the table formatt automatically. A typical template has the form of <nowiki>{{Template name |field1= info1 |field2=info2 |field3=info3 |etc...}}</nowiki>
The name of the tennis template currently being used on the [[Famous tennis players]] page is ''Tennis player2'' which includes the following fields that are available for the appropriate information.
|Name=
|Nickname=
|Full name=
|Birth=
|Death=
|Nationality=
|Hand=
|Strength=
|Weakness=
|rank years=
|Davis years=
|Davis team wins=
|Davis singles=
|Davis doubles=
|Slam victories=
|Slam singles=
|Slam doubles=
|Slam mixed doubles=
|Davis info=
|ProAm=
|Trivia=
You can either add the appropriate info, leave the field blank or just leave the field out all together.  One of these templates needs to be filled out for each player in the table. The templates are stacked one after the other.  To complete the table there needs to be a header template, in this case <nowiki>{{tennis header2}}</nowiki> and an end table designator which is just the following two characters  |}.  A complete table for three players (A,B &C) will have the following structure.
:<nowiki>{{tennis header2}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Tennis player2 |field1= info1A |field2=info2A |field3=info3A |etc...}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Tennis player2 |field1= info1B |field2=info2B |field3=info3B |etc...}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Tennis player2 |field1= info1C |field2=info2C |field3=info3C |etc...}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
Feel free to ask more questions. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 13:09, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
===Mock up with two players===
{{tennis header2}}
{{Tennis player2
|Name=A
|Nickname=B
|Full name=C
|Birth=D
|Death=E
|Nationality=F
|Hand=G
|Strength=H
|Weakness=I
|rank years=J
|Davis years=K
|Davis team wins=L
|Davis singles=M
|Davis doubles=N
|Slam victories=O
|Slam singles=P
|Slam doubles=Q
|Slam mixed doubles=R
|Davis info=S
|ProAm=T
|Trivia=U}}
{{Tennis player2
|Name=Aa
|Nickname=Bb
|Full name=Cc
|Birth=Dd
|Death=Ee
|Nationality=Ff
|Hand=Gg
|Strength=Hh
|Weakness=Ii
|rank years=Jj
|Davis years=Kk
|Davis team wins=Ll
|Davis singles=Mm
|Davis doubles=Nn
|Slam victories=Oo
|Slam singles=Pp
|Slam doubles=Qq
|Slam mixed doubles=Rr
|Davis info=Ss
|ProAm=Tt
|Trivia=Uu}}
|}
This repeat of the code placed betwen the pre tags is so you can see the text without going into edit mode.
<pre>
{{tennis header2}}
{{Tennis player2
|Name=A
|Nickname=B
|Full name=C
|Birth=D
|Death=E
|Nationality=F
|Hand=G
|Strength=H
|Weakness=I
|rank years=J
|Davis years=K
|Davis team wins=L
|Davis singles=M
|Davis doubles=N
|Slam victories=O
|Slam singles=P
|Slam doubles=Q
|Slam mixed doubles=R
|Davis info=S
|ProAm=T
|Trivia=U}}
{{Tennis player2
|Name=Aa
|Nickname=Bb
|Full name=Cc
|Birth=Dd
|Death=Ee
|Nationality=Ff
|Hand=Gg
|Strength=Hh
|Weakness=Ii
|rank years=Jj
|Davis years=Kk
|Davis team wins=Ll
|Davis singles=Mm
|Davis doubles=Nn
|Slam victories=Oo
|Slam singles=Pp
|Slam doubles=Qq
|Slam mixed doubles=Rr
|Davis info=Ss
|ProAm=Tt
|Trivia=Uu}}
|}
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===Second mock up===
You can also present the write the info in this format but it can become a bit hard to follow when you need to go back in and aedit at a later date. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 10:42, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
{{tennis header2}}
{{Tennis player2 |Name=A |Nickname=B |Full name=C |Birth=D |Death=E |Nationality=F |Hand=G |Strength=H |Weakness=I |rank years=J |Davis years=K |Davis team wins=L |Davis singles=M |Davis doubles=N |Slam victories=O |Slam singles=P |Slam doubles=Q |Slam mixed doubles=R |Davis info=S |ProAm=T |Trivia=U}}
{{Tennis player2 |Name=Aa |Nickname=Bb |Full name=Cc |Birth=Dd |Death=Ee |Nationality=Ff |Hand=Gg |Strength=Hh |Weakness=Ii |rank years=Jj |Davis years=Kk |Davis team wins=Ll |Davis singles=Mm |Davis doubles=Nn |Slam victories=Oo |Slam singles=Pp |Slam doubles=Qq |Slam mixed doubles=Rr |Davis info=Ss |ProAm=Tt |Trivia=Uu}}
|}
This repeat of the code placed betwen the pre tags is so you can see the text without going into edit mode.
<pre>
{{tennis header2}}
{{Tennis player2 |Name=A |Nickname=B |Full name=C |Birth=D |Death=E |Nationality=F |Hand=G |Strength=H |Weakness=I |rank years=J |Davis years=K |Davis team wins=L |Davis singles=M |Davis doubles=N |Slam victories=O |Slam singles=P |Slam doubles=Q |Slam mixed doubles=R |Davis info=S |ProAm=T |Trivia=U}}
{{Tennis player2 |Name=Aa |Nickname=Bb |Full name=Cc |Birth=Dd |Death=Ee |Nationality=Ff |Hand=Gg |Strength=Hh |Weakness=Ii |rank years=Jj |Davis years=Kk |Davis team wins=Ll |Davis singles=Mm |Davis doubles=Nn |Slam victories=Oo |Slam singles=Pp |Slam doubles=Qq |Slam mixed doubles=Rr |Davis info=Ss |ProAm=Tt |Trivia=Uu}}
|}
</pre>
== (Singing) Food, Glorious Food ==
Hayford, I couldn't stand that red link any longer, so I made a start at [[Food Science]].  Care to join me?  At least have a look?  Pretty please?  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 18:44, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
== Absinth ==
Since you are the expert in alcohol, have you tried [[absinth]]? I just read some controversial thing about it. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 19:31, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
== See... ==
[[User_talk:Stephen_Ewen#Food_name_help]]. &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 22:57, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
==Clinton vs. Bush==
Hayford, I really appreciate your input on the Clinton talk page.  Hopefully, with my detailed response I've made my position more clear.  My argument is not really about Clinton at all. It's about fairness. I hope you'll assume that I'm arguing in good faith and know that I value your contributions. [[User:Will Nesbitt|Will Nesbitt]] 15:35, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
I appreciate your continued input on the Clinton talk page. My frustration level is now near my limits. [[User:Will Nesbitt|Will Nesbitt]] 14:58, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
==Ik heb honger Hayford. Stop!!!!!==
Hayford - I write from Brussels and just saw your Belgian cuisine Catalog and it made me so hungry! Along with all the great food articles you seem to be involved with. I just wanted to stop by and thank you for them, and with that I will stop writing for the Citizendium and prepare my dinner. 'Hmmm... [[Mussels]] from Belgium for dinner for me maybe?' Cheers. --[[User:Ian Johnson|Ian Johnson]] 14:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:Oh yes. If you have been you may already know this place - the best steak restaurant in Brussels - [http://www.restaurantvincent.com/ Vincent]. I love to eat there. --[[User:Ian Johnson|Ian Johnson]] 14:30, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
== [[catalog of American folk singers]] ==
Good job on creating the catalog for American folk singers. I have a little question here. I started the catalog [[catalog of rock bands]], which I did not know that it would be soooo long when completed. Should I separate it into several catalogs? Thanks! [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 15:57, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:Wow, how could you ''hate'' rock music? Unless I am wrong, you were alive when the 1960s rock were at its peak...the phrase "sex, drugs, and rock and roll" was all around.:-) I asked Professor Potter about the catalog too because he is a music editor, but now he's gone. Thanks for the help, maybe there will be a music editor coming in future when the Big Invite is initiated. Best. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 19:23, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
==Party Hard Hayford==
Hey hey Hayford! Nice to see you join the partiers. Sorry I put you out on the porch. Not usual for me to be a stickler for rules at a party. --[[User:Ian Johnson|Ian Johnson]] 14:15, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
== massala masala ==
in the US masala may be more frequently used, the original name however is massala. I prefer the original name — in no matter what language (as long as I can read and pronounce it :)) ) [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:grey">&nbsp;<font color="yellow"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span> 23:43, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
== connait ton français ==
potage = soup [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:grey">&nbsp;<font color="yellow"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span> 23:58, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
==Party catering?==
Hayford--next party I look forward to seeing what new food and drinks you will bring along. Based on your exotic contributions in such areas it should be quite interesting. --[[User:Ian Johnson|Ian Johnson]] 14:51, 2 August 2007 (CDT)
== Boxing ==
Thanks for the corrections in the boxing article, you're certainly correct on both counts. I threw in the bit about "boxing ears" on a whim, as I'm not quite sure how to cite the absence of the phrase in modern usage. [[User:Andrew Chong|Andrew Chong]] 13:54, 5 August 2007 (CDT)
== Lead-In sentence "Systems theory > Notes" ==
Hayford:  I took your advice and segregated the lead-in sentence into several smaller sentences. See Tom Mandel's Talk page (Discussion tab). Thanks for the useful feedback.  --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]] 14:01, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
== Authors writing about relatives ==
Hello Hayford! You may be interested to know that I tried to kick off a discussion about this subject at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Weekly_Wiki#Authors_writing_articles_about_relatives. I quoted at length from your contributions to the Tale Ognenovski case. Hope you can join the discussion! Best wishes, [[User:Matthias Röder|Matthias Röder]] 07:36, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
==Boldly going to breakfast==
That was nice Hayford - dining a la Francaise whilst thinking of the 'Full English'. Napoleon would surely have approved.''' ;)''' --[[User:Ian Johnson|Ian Johnson]] 17:11, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
== Hats for drinking ==
Hi Hayford: responded at [[User talk:Aleta Curry#Sombrero|my place]].  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 18:14, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:Okay--since you're the resident cocktail person--is a kahlua-and-cream properly called a cocktail, since it doesn't have distilled spirits?  Or just a "mixed drink"? [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 18:41, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
::Hmmm, I never thought of *that*.  I'll research it a trifle.  By the way, my first novel, '''Napoleon Disentimed''', concerns the invention of Champagne in an alternate universe by my rascally hero, The McNair of McNair, when he isn't involved in impersonating Napoleon during his "Missing Years".  It's Reichian orgones (I believe) that are responsible for the bubbles.  At least in the sequel, they are.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:48, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
==Jack Crawford==
Just fixed this page.  Your problem was the absense of the [[Template:Jack Crawford/Metadata]] page.  The subpages need that information to function correctly. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 13:11, 8 September 2007 (CDT)
:I have left the categories blank for you to fill in. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 13:12, 8 September 2007 (CDT)
==updating old articles to subpages==
Just saw you were updating some articles but I noted that you were redoing the checklist from scratch.  At least i assume so since the metadata you added conflicted with the checklist you had added previously on the talk page. In fact, you can just copy and paste the old checklist into the new metadata page.  The fields are identical and this speeds things up a bit.
As far as the easiest way to do this is concerned I have found myself doing the following.
#Copy the exact name of the original article.
#Go to "Start article" link in the side bar and find the link to "Start a new article, with subpages" in the upper middle part of the page.
#Click on that link, then create the '''metadata template''' page by adding the exact article name to the pagename field at top in Step 1. Then follow the rest of the instructions and SAVE.
#Go back to the original article.
#Click the tab that links to the Discussion page for that articlr. Enter Edit mode. Copy the fields from the checklist. Delete the checklist and add <nowiki>{{subpages9}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. SAVE.
#Click the metadata template link at the bottom of the checklist. Scroll down and create a blank space. Paste in the checklist fields that you have Copied into the metadata template blank space.  Then select all fields from ''acb'' to ''cat3'' and paste in (or copy in by typing) the old checklist data. Delete all the checklist date that you imported from the original article and remove any extra blank space you may have initially created. SAVE.
#Click on the "Main Article" link at the top left of the page. Enter Edit mode and add <nowiki>{{subpages9}}</nowiki> to the top of the page.
#Clean up: You can delete all the categories at the bottom of the article. Then SAVE.
#You're done. :)
I hope this helps, let me know if you run into problems [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:54, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
:You read my mind.  i was about to ask you to improve those instruction based on your experience with Bill Tilden.  Thanks. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 14:23, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
== Cuisine/Catalogs/French cuisine ==
With regard to the above article, as I mentioned to Chris Day too, Can we do [[French cuisine/Catalogs]] instead as I am going to write articles about each regional cuisine.
:Why don't you check out [[Talk:Cuisine]] amd see what Larry has to say there.  Then you and Larry work out some sort of overall plan. I don't want to do anything more in this area until all the guidelines are in place. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:31, 10 September 2007 (CDT)
::In [[Talk:Cuisine]], where larry is talking about 'top level articles' he mean the most general and important articles. He doesn't mean physically at the top of the subpage clusters. Subpages clusters aren't categories. [[User:Derek Harkness|Derek Harkness]] 07:27, 11 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Ah. Well, go ahead and set things up any way you want. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:47, 11 September 2007 (CDT)
::::I just made some changes with respect to location to the French and Belgian cuisine catalogs.  See if that works. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 14:53, 11 September 2007 (CDT)
== Special symbols link ==
That may have become a casulaty with the recent page moves.  I'll try to fix it tonight,  remind me if I forget. &nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 14:26, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

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