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=== Welcome ===
== Resigning Biology Editorship ==
 
I signed up for CZ and requested to be a Chemistry Editor, based on my PhD in Chemistry. After looking over my publications, Larry Sanger approved me to be a Biology Editor as well. Given the mood of the current Editorial Council, a council on which I once sat, and their new standards, I feel it only appropriate to resign this editorship. I do so not to make a public statement of any kind, but because I am unsure that my education, research interests and publications would necessarily qualify me under the current standards. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 19:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
{{awelcome}}
 
You can find some more information about our collaboration groups if you follow this link [[CZ:Workgroups]].You can always ask me on my talk page or others about how to proceed or any other question you might have.
 
''Kind Regards'',
[[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:black">&nbsp;<font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span> 15:12, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 
{{ewelcome}} --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 20:58, 3 April 2007 (CDT)


== New Chemistry  editor, [[User:Joel M. Williams‎|Joel M. Williams]] ==


==bots==
Hi, David:


loved your "thought experiment" on the forums. [[User:Nancy Sculerati|Nancy Sculerati]] 06:03, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
We have a new Chemistry editor. Perhaps you may wish to post a welcome message on his Talk page. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


==Image(s)==
David,
{{badimage}}[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
Your opening quote is still true several hundred years later as I can attest!! My observation is that most scientists are the most rigid folks imaginable; spouting the party lines rather than thinking - PhD's being proof that they know the party lines. Has to do with peer-pressure and the desire to maintain one's job. Thus, few are reluctant to challenge the status quo! Frankly, the folks who should be most able to evaluate matters and come up with new approaches are the retired.Unfortunately, most are too tired or just no longer give a crap! [[User:Joel M. Williams|Joel M. Williams]] 20:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi David. Just copy this text


<pre>
==Thanks==
;Description
Thanks for the nudge on adiponutrin - it had flown below ny radar, but I've added a para.[[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 10:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Image of a '''Heat Map''', used as a methematical tool in [[bioinformatics]] to
visually display which variables, such as genes, proteins or metabolites, are
up- or down-regulated within each group.


;Licensing
== [[Liquefied natural gas]] ==
By [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]], released into the public domain.


Uploaded by ~~~~
David, I would appreciate any comments/edits/discussion you may offer on the new article [[Liquefied natural gas]] (LNG). [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
</pre>


and paste it in '''[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Image:HeatMapDEV.jpg&action=edit HERE]''' and click Save page.
== About [[Hydrogen sulphide]] ==


[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 00:25, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
David, if you have the time, I would appreciate it if you reviewed [[Hydrogen sulphide]]. It could use some more content. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


== OK ==
== New author you may want to chat with ==


OK David, I will look at your ideal gas law. I must add that I'm very glad that there is another scientist active in CZ. I was afraid I was the only one (outside biology, that is).
Hi, David -- we have a new author, Samuel Herec, an undergrad at Northeastern who is a musician and is insterested in biomedical devices as well as audio technology. You seem to be just the guy to welcome him. [[User:Bruce M. Tindall|Bruce M. Tindall]] 23:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


I see that you worked at Duke. I spent a year there. Long time ago in the Chemistry department (with Donald Chesnut). I have very good memories of that year, I really liked living and working in the US. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 03:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
== Financial Report as of March 15, 2011 ==


==ToApprove==
Please read our [[CZ:Donate|Financial Report as of March 15, 2001]] for complete details on our financial history and our current financial situation. If you have any questions, please ask them on [[CZ Talk:Donate]]. - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi David, i made [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template%3AVan_der_Waals_equation%2FMetadata&diff=100181224&oldid=100181221 the following edit] on your behalf to kick off the ToApprove process on the [[Van_der_Waals_equation]] article. I hope that is OK [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 15:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
== The missing mini-periodical tables from the element articles. ==


David, I was getting ready to do the approval on Van der Waals equation when I noticed ther ehave been several more edits since your approval date.  As it is, I can only approve the date that is in the green box, so I will wait till later tonight to approve.  If you want to include these edits, just change the date and version in the box. If not, you don't have to do anything and I will approve the version that you have marked. Thanks.. [[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 18:30, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
David, as of yesterday morning, all of the element articles had a mini-periodical table in the infoboxes. Shortly, after Dan Nessett upgraded our Mediawiki software yesterday evening, I noticed that all of the mini-periodic tables had disappeared from the infoboxes. I immediately informed him by posting in the "Technical Issues" forum board (see [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,3978.0.html Topic 3978.0] and by sending him an email as well.


Congratulations on your first Approval!  I did change the date for you and approved the extra edits as you stated on my talk page.  When you want to find the latest version, follow these steps: 1)click on the history tab, 2)click on 'compare selected version...' button, 3)click on the 'Revision as of [date]' above the previous diff, 4)click on 'newer revision' under the article title, 5)copy the address from the address bar..  and you got it!  It is a long way around.  If you ever find a better way, do let me know!  [[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 18:57, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
As he has told you, he has found out why this occurred but has not yet figured out how to resolve it ... but I am confident that he will do so in the near future. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:12, 27 April 2011 (CDT)


==NMR article?==
== Finished revising 112 of the chemical element articles ==
Hi David, I read on your bio that NMR seems to be a topic which you are familiar with. So, I was wondering if perhaps you may have plans on writing an article on [[Nuclear magnetic resonance]] in the future. Anyway, I guess the reason I'm asking is that an article I started on [[open loop control]] links to that :-) Just a thought. Thanks. [[User:Hendra I. Nurdin|Hendra I. Nurdin]] 16:28, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
:Hi David, I saw your message on my talkpage and totally understand what you're saying. There are also plenty of articles I would like to write, but unfortunately I am unable to find the time to do the research and retrieve the necessary books and papers. So far, I've mostly written about things which I know quite well or have often used in my work and thus can be called off the top of my head or from notes I've made. CZ has yet to reach critical mass :-) [[User:Hendra I. Nurdin|Hendra I. Nurdin]] 16:06, 8 October 2007 (CDT)


== Virus template ==
Hi,David: I just finished revising all 112 chemical element articles (from [[Hydrogen]] through [[Copernicium]]. They all now use the [[Template:Elem Infobox]] and they are now all editable.


I think there already is a model for this that has been made; for proteins I think. We should be able to copy that and just change the verbage.  --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:44, 16 October 2007 (CDT)
During the course of that work, David Yamakuchi contacted me as to what I was doing ... which I explained and told him why I was doing it. We came to an amicable agreement and he revised some of the templates he had created. You can read our exchange of postings on my Talk page.
:Wait, do you want an infobox? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:45, 16 October 2007 (CDT)
::Ok, I'm caught up. You want an infobox.  I can make this easily *but* I '''must know what criteria you want to be displayed'''. I had no input with the chemistry infobox I made and thus it is severely lacking in detail.  --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:46, 16 October 2007 (CDT)


== Oxygen ==
David had done a tremendous amount of ingenious work that involved about 5 or 6 subpages for each each element (a total of about 560 to 672 subpages). As I found in going through all of the articles, it is simply not possible to come up with any automatic "one size fits all" method for creating 112 chemical element articles. It required manually editing of each of them. It is a complex system and it took me many hours to get familiar with it.


Hi David, thank you for correcting my English. I corrected yours too: "efficiently" ;-). Also I added that distillation is widely used in industry, somehow you lost that fact in cleaning up.--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 11:12, 18 October 2007 (CDT)
I agree it would be nice to make it much more simple, but I don't know to do it. In any event, they are now all editable and consistent, although most of them (90% or more) are "bare bones" articles that need much more content.


== Isotopes ==
Milt


Can do easily.  How do you want it formatted? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 12:51, 18 October 2007 (CDT)
== Blocked account showing inappropriate categories ==


== English ==
This account is no longer a member of the categories CZ Editors | Chemistry Authors | Chemistry Editors | Biochemistry Members | Biology Authors | Physics Authors | Mathematics Authors | Music Authors | Health Sciences Authors but the userpage has been protected preventing Citizens from remedying this situation. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi David, are you sure the following is correct?
:I don't think you're right about that. My understanding is that an Editor stays an Editor unless the EC says so, even if they leave or are banned. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 11:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
:''A volume of earth atmosphere consists of 21% of the oxygen molecule O<sub>2</sub>. ''
and has the meaning:  21% (in volume) of the atmosphere is oxygen?--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 09:35, 19 October 2007 (CDT)


== small addition to NMR ==
::CZ:Editors ''should be a complete list of active CZ editors'', and David is listed [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:Chemistry_Editors at the chemistry Workgroup] as being an active Editor, which is of no use to anyone using the Chemistry workgroup to find active Editors as well as being a misrepresentation. Why would it be desirable to list someone who has gone through our formal resignation process as an Editor, active or otherwise? [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 11:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


see if you like this addition - else delete it. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:grey">&nbsp;<font color="yellow"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span>
::I think in this case your understanding is mistaken. You would be referring to [http://ec.citizendium.org/wiki/EC:2011-017 this EC motion] where the outcome was clearly stated that only an official resignation from CZ would be enough to have ones categories removed. It could be argued from the poor wording of the Motion that a separate resignation was needed for the EC, but that is not supported by the statements of the people who voted for it, and would in any event be a ridiculous proposition. We already have enough hoops for people to jump through to become ex-Citizens without requiring that resignation letters be made in duplicate.


==  Negative nuclear spin explained ==
::It would appear that EC:2011-017 makes it clear that the categories listed above should be removed immediately. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 08:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


Hi David, your explanation is perfect. I was thinking of negative gyromagnetic ratio, but I didn't know that it existed. I hope you come up with a good "oxygen in air" sentence. Yours,--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 01:50, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
:::"Only an official request for nullification of one's Editorship, to be eventually carried out by the Constabulary, is valid." seems clear enough. On the other hand, it does seem reasonable that David should not be listed as an ''active'' editor. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 11:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


:In the meantime I saw the new "oxygen in air" sentence: is it mass or volume percentage? (Difference is small, of course, oxygen and nitrogen being almost ideal gases with almost equal molecular masses, but still).--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 02:34, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
::::No less unreasonable than having a list of Editors, active or otherwise, that consists partly of non-Citizens who have requested they be removed from the project. As you will know that Motion was initiated because Martin had resigned on the Forum, resigned on his userpage, but was still making flyby Editor "Rulings" when it suited - the Motion was intended to quantify that a formal resignation was required before the resignation was taken seriously. It was never meant to become a list of non-Citizens. I also seriously doubt that the many Citizens who have voluntarily resigned have been informed that they must resign in triplicate. Like I said, I hope your interpretation is incorrect because it would not only be a ridiculous situation but probably illegal under the Charter. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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[User bio is in User:Your Name]

Resigning Biology Editorship

I signed up for CZ and requested to be a Chemistry Editor, based on my PhD in Chemistry. After looking over my publications, Larry Sanger approved me to be a Biology Editor as well. Given the mood of the current Editorial Council, a council on which I once sat, and their new standards, I feel it only appropriate to resign this editorship. I do so not to make a public statement of any kind, but because I am unsure that my education, research interests and publications would necessarily qualify me under the current standards. David E. Volk 19:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

New Chemistry editor, Joel M. Williams

Hi, David:

We have a new Chemistry editor. Perhaps you may wish to post a welcome message on his Talk page. Regards, Milton Beychok 02:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

David, Your opening quote is still true several hundred years later as I can attest!! My observation is that most scientists are the most rigid folks imaginable; spouting the party lines rather than thinking - PhD's being proof that they know the party lines. Has to do with peer-pressure and the desire to maintain one's job. Thus, few are reluctant to challenge the status quo! Frankly, the folks who should be most able to evaluate matters and come up with new approaches are the retired.Unfortunately, most are too tired or just no longer give a crap! Joel M. Williams 20:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


Thanks

Thanks for the nudge on adiponutrin - it had flown below ny radar, but I've added a para.Gareth Leng 10:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Liquefied natural gas

David, I would appreciate any comments/edits/discussion you may offer on the new article Liquefied natural gas (LNG). Milton Beychok 05:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

About Hydrogen sulphide

David, if you have the time, I would appreciate it if you reviewed Hydrogen sulphide. It could use some more content. Milton Beychok 22:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

New author you may want to chat with

Hi, David -- we have a new author, Samuel Herec, an undergrad at Northeastern who is a musician and is insterested in biomedical devices as well as audio technology. You seem to be just the guy to welcome him. Bruce M. Tindall 23:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Financial Report as of March 15, 2011

Please read our Financial Report as of March 15, 2001 for complete details on our financial history and our current financial situation. If you have any questions, please ask them on CZ Talk:Donate. - Milton Beychok 22:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The missing mini-periodical tables from the element articles.

David, as of yesterday morning, all of the element articles had a mini-periodical table in the infoboxes. Shortly, after Dan Nessett upgraded our Mediawiki software yesterday evening, I noticed that all of the mini-periodic tables had disappeared from the infoboxes. I immediately informed him by posting in the "Technical Issues" forum board (see Topic 3978.0 and by sending him an email as well.

As he has told you, he has found out why this occurred but has not yet figured out how to resolve it ... but I am confident that he will do so in the near future. Milton Beychok 22:12, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Finished revising 112 of the chemical element articles

Hi,David: I just finished revising all 112 chemical element articles (from Hydrogen through Copernicium. They all now use the Template:Elem Infobox and they are now all editable.

During the course of that work, David Yamakuchi contacted me as to what I was doing ... which I explained and told him why I was doing it. We came to an amicable agreement and he revised some of the templates he had created. You can read our exchange of postings on my Talk page.

David had done a tremendous amount of ingenious work that involved about 5 or 6 subpages for each each element (a total of about 560 to 672 subpages). As I found in going through all of the articles, it is simply not possible to come up with any automatic "one size fits all" method for creating 112 chemical element articles. It required manually editing of each of them. It is a complex system and it took me many hours to get familiar with it.

I agree it would be nice to make it much more simple, but I don't know to do it. In any event, they are now all editable and consistent, although most of them (90% or more) are "bare bones" articles that need much more content.

Milt

Blocked account showing inappropriate categories

This account is no longer a member of the categories CZ Editors | Chemistry Authors | Chemistry Editors | Biochemistry Members | Biology Authors | Physics Authors | Mathematics Authors | Music Authors | Health Sciences Authors but the userpage has been protected preventing Citizens from remedying this situation. David Finn 07:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you're right about that. My understanding is that an Editor stays an Editor unless the EC says so, even if they leave or are banned. Peter Jackson 11:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
CZ:Editors should be a complete list of active CZ editors, and David is listed at the chemistry Workgroup as being an active Editor, which is of no use to anyone using the Chemistry workgroup to find active Editors as well as being a misrepresentation. Why would it be desirable to list someone who has gone through our formal resignation process as an Editor, active or otherwise? David Finn 11:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I think in this case your understanding is mistaken. You would be referring to this EC motion where the outcome was clearly stated that only an official resignation from CZ would be enough to have ones categories removed. It could be argued from the poor wording of the Motion that a separate resignation was needed for the EC, but that is not supported by the statements of the people who voted for it, and would in any event be a ridiculous proposition. We already have enough hoops for people to jump through to become ex-Citizens without requiring that resignation letters be made in duplicate.
It would appear that EC:2011-017 makes it clear that the categories listed above should be removed immediately. David Finn 08:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
"Only an official request for nullification of one's Editorship, to be eventually carried out by the Constabulary, is valid." seems clear enough. On the other hand, it does seem reasonable that David should not be listed as an active editor. Peter Jackson 11:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
No less unreasonable than having a list of Editors, active or otherwise, that consists partly of non-Citizens who have requested they be removed from the project. As you will know that Motion was initiated because Martin had resigned on the Forum, resigned on his userpage, but was still making flyby Editor "Rulings" when it suited - the Motion was intended to quantify that a formal resignation was required before the resignation was taken seriously. It was never meant to become a list of non-Citizens. I also seriously doubt that the many Citizens who have voluntarily resigned have been informed that they must resign in triplicate. Like I said, I hope your interpretation is incorrect because it would not only be a ridiculous situation but probably illegal under the Charter. David Finn 07:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)