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::::That would have been Earl Cawdor, either the present Earl, who succeeded in 1993, or his predecessor. Debrett's Peerage calls him Thane, but Burke's Peerage calls the title a press fancy, and GEC's Complete Peerage doesn't seem to say anything either way. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 11:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC) | ::::That would have been Earl Cawdor, either the present Earl, who succeeded in 1993, or his predecessor. Debrett's Peerage calls him Thane, but Burke's Peerage calls the title a press fancy, and GEC's Complete Peerage doesn't seem to say anything either way. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 11:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::Ah. Well, HE didn't call himself that. We were having drinks at a friend's house and the hostess said something about it. I asked if he was really descended from the guy in the play and he said yes....[[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] ([[User talk:Hayford Peirce|talk]]) 14:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC) | :::::Ah. Well, HE didn't call himself that. We were having drinks at a friend's house and the hostess said something about it. I asked if he was really descended from the guy in the play and he said yes....[[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] ([[User talk:Hayford Peirce|talk]]) 14:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::::Well, he isn't/wasn't. Macbeth had no children. And Calder/Cawdor Castle dates from the 14th century. And I think Holinshed, Shakespeare's source, uses the title in connexion with the killing of a different king. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 18:10, 24 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
If you do it that way there'll have to be a hatnote "For other uses see ..." or whatever. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 17:04, 31 March 2016 (UTC) | If you do it that way there'll have to be a hatnote "For other uses see ..." or whatever. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 17:04, 31 March 2016 (UTC) | ||
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Title
Should this article be at this title? After all, Macbeth really existed, and it's not obvious that the play rather than the king is the primary usage. Peter Jackson (talk) 09:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
- I see from the History that John Stephenson started this article and wrote most of it. Presumably he should be asked whether it might be changed to a disambiguation page and the content transferred to Macbeth (play). --Martin Wyatt (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be there. I suggest that Macbeth redirect here, though (I'm not sure how many people know there was a real king). John Stephenson (talk) 21:03, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- Many years ago in Tahiti I had drinks with a pleasant young man who was the umpteenth Thane of Cawdor.... Hayford Peirce (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- That would have been Earl Cawdor, either the present Earl, who succeeded in 1993, or his predecessor. Debrett's Peerage calls him Thane, but Burke's Peerage calls the title a press fancy, and GEC's Complete Peerage doesn't seem to say anything either way. Peter Jackson (talk) 11:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ah. Well, HE didn't call himself that. We were having drinks at a friend's house and the hostess said something about it. I asked if he was really descended from the guy in the play and he said yes....Hayford Peirce (talk) 14:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- Well, he isn't/wasn't. Macbeth had no children. And Calder/Cawdor Castle dates from the 14th century. And I think Holinshed, Shakespeare's source, uses the title in connexion with the killing of a different king. Peter Jackson (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ah. Well, HE didn't call himself that. We were having drinks at a friend's house and the hostess said something about it. I asked if he was really descended from the guy in the play and he said yes....Hayford Peirce (talk) 14:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- That would have been Earl Cawdor, either the present Earl, who succeeded in 1993, or his predecessor. Debrett's Peerage calls him Thane, but Burke's Peerage calls the title a press fancy, and GEC's Complete Peerage doesn't seem to say anything either way. Peter Jackson (talk) 11:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- Many years ago in Tahiti I had drinks with a pleasant young man who was the umpteenth Thane of Cawdor.... Hayford Peirce (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be there. I suggest that Macbeth redirect here, though (I'm not sure how many people know there was a real king). John Stephenson (talk) 21:03, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
If you do it that way there'll have to be a hatnote "For other uses see ..." or whatever. Peter Jackson (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
History
"there is no explanation of the statement by Lady Macbeth, who is apparently childless, that she has given suck". As a matter of historical fact, she had a son by a previous husband (who briefly succeeded Macbeth). I don't know whether Shakespeare would have known that. Peter Jackson (talk) 10:21, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia he felt free to make major changes in the story anyway. Peter Jackson (talk) 10:39, 19 November 2016 (UTC)