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Homeopathy reapproval

Hi, Joe, could you take a look at the last comment section at Talk:Homeopathy/Draft and tell us what you think needs to be done. Ie, how many Editors do we need, and who can they be? As far as Constable approval, I've been working on the draft, so I'm out. Matt *hasn't* worked on the draft, but was, I believe, an Editor for the *Approved* version. I'm sure that there are other technical aspects also to be considered. Thanks! Hayford Peirce 16:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

refusal of an approved article to go away from "to approve" list

Hi Joe,

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Randomized_controlled_trial/draft persists in showing on the To Approve List that the Kops look at. I tried putting a null into it and saving, but that didn't change anything. Is there something in the metadata that is screwing up its disappearance? Hayford Peirce 22:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

You know, I tried to fix that. It's happened before and gave me trouble then too, but I can't remember what I did. I'll look again, I guess. --(Approvals Manager 15:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC))

Got it! It was the difference between "Draft" and "draft" --Joe (Approvals Manager 17:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC))

Okie, I understand that the article itself is called "Draft", with a capital D, but just where did you make the fix, so I can do it myself if necessary? Thanks! Hayford Peirce 17:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Article categories, including the toapprove category, are placed on the article talk page by the subpages template. THey don't update until the talk page is edited. Usually, it only takes a minor edit to the talk page to get rid of the toapprove category after approval. I tried that but it didn't work until I figured out that I had to edit ".../draft" with a lowercase 'd'. --Approvals Manager 02:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Okie, with that knowledge, I guess I'll just let you worry about this in the future, hehe.... Hayford Peirce 02:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Another issue -- please see the new Forum topic

Bibliographies in Approved articles apparently aren't protected!

See: http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2675.0.html Hayford Peirce 23:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Good timing! I've been wanting to address that. I replied in the forum thread. --Joe (Approvals Manager 14:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC))

Null edits

You don't have to do this, you know, you can just click edit and then click save. It won't show anything in the history, but will update all relevant categories, lists of links, etc. It's called a null edit.
sorry if you know this, and I'm misunderstanding what you were doing.
Caesar Schinas 13:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Recently, null edits have had the effect of deleting a lot of text. There was a discussion about this on someone's talk page, though I don't remember where. It doesn't always happen, but it's annoying when it does, so I've gotten into the habit of simply adding a space somewhere. Thanks for your note though, it's good to have someone around who understands the technical stuff. Joe (Approvals Manager) 14:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Funny, I haven't seen that, but I'll be more careful in future.

Sorry if I seemed to be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs...

Caesar Schinas 15:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Drugs banned from the Olympics

Joe, I am considering nominating Drugs banned from the Olympics for approval. I did delete 2-3 redundant line spaces and I revised the Related Links subpage somewhat (copy edits and added a link or two). Am I still eligble to nominate the article? Milton Beychok 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I have been an Engineering Editor ever since I joined. Its being a Chemistry Editor that was just granted. Milton Beychok 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

You should be fine on nominating Drugs banned from the Olympics. Those certainly don't look like anything more than editorial changes to me. I knew that you were an Engineering editor before (Earth Science too, right?) but it seems like all of those articles are by you! I figured there would be material in the Chemistry workgroup that maybe someone else wrote. :-) --Joe Quick 18:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Once you've nominated the article, I'm going to suggest it to some biology editors too. Anthony Sebastian is an editor in Biology and in Health Sciences, so he might be a good person to approach. --Joe (Approvals Manager) 18:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Joe, I will review the article as soon as I can, check references, etc., and get back to you here. Anthony.Sebastian 03:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Joe, I reviewed the article. I can co-approve this article, but believe it could use a few edits to render it both more user friendly and more informative, the former by defining certain words, the latter by adding more explanations why certain drugs banned, i.e., some more mechanistic explanations.

Some items that caught my attention:

Intro: define ‘doping’

Banned androgenic agents: consider reversing order of first and second sentences

In respect of the lists of banned androgenic steroids: define words ‘exogenous’ and ‘endogenous’

Paragraph on blood doping should have subheader; otherwise out of place’

Hormones and related substances: first sentence should start with word ‘certain’, and should define ‘peptide’

Beta-2 agonists: should say why banned, physiological mechanism.

Hormone antagonists and modulators: Needs some physiology (why ban aromatase inhibitors?)

Diuretics and masking agents: not clear re ‘masking agent’ versus ‘diuretic’

“The cannabinoids marijuana and hashish are also banned.” Why?

Why are glucocorticoids and beta blockers banned?

Anthony.Sebastian 15:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Anthony. I directed David Volk's attention to your comments, since he's the primary author of the article. --Joe (Approvals Manager) 23:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Joe, I did not look to see who contributed to the article, just reviewed it on its merits alone, as I judged them. David Volk writes outstandingly for CZ. Anthony.Sebastian 00:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You're certainly right about that! I figured he'd be the most likely to respond quickly to our comments since he has already put so much work into it. --Joe (Approvals Manager) 02:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Joe, I found David's changes satisfactory. I give my co-approval. Anthony.Sebastian 00:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Another nomination

Joe, take a look here. Milton Beychok 03:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Great! I'll be going out of town for a week starting Sunday, but it looks like you should be in good shape without me. --Approvals Manager 23:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

two articles

Hi Joe, there are two articles at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:Articles_to_Approve that I don't understand. Could you check the various dates and History of these and try to make some sense of what's going on? Thanks! Hayford Peirce 16:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Hayford, I replied on your talk page. --Joe (04:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)) Approvals Manager

Henry's Law

Hi Joe, see this. D. Matt Innis 02:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawaiian alphabet

Hi, can you take a look at Hawaiian alphabet, and see if it is ready, or almost ready, for approval?Drew R. Smith 04:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Drew. I see that you already left a message for at least one of our linguistics editors. It seems like the article is still incomplete. What have been the impacts and consequences of the Hawaiian alphabet? Does anyone use it now? What about the indigenous nationalist movement? --Approvals Manager 13:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

"What have been the impacts and consequences of the Hawaiian alphabet?"-- As far as I have found through my research the only impact or consequence was that the bible (and other publications) were translated into Hawaiian. I could perhaps go into detail about how the translated bible helped to reshape politics in Hawaii, but the reshaping was due more to the way the missionaries used the bible, and christianity, than an impact of the translation itself. I have gone into more detail about the impact of the translated bible in Hawaiian bible, but this doesn't seem relevant to an article on the alphabet itself.

"Does anyone use it now?"-- Not really. It's sorta used for street names, but one could make the argument that a street name (such as kapi`olani blvd) uses the english alphabet for a hawaiian word... The only other real use of it is through nostalgic groups trying to revive the language. Unfortunately the alphabet isn't really different enough from the english alphabet to distinguish it when used in modern times. How would I put something like that in the article though?

"What about the indigenous nationalist movement?"-- I'm not sure exaclty what you are reffering to. Living in hawaii, I can only assume you are talking about the various groups attempting to either A) return public schools (or at least the kamehameha schools) to teaching in Hawaiian language, or B)return Hawaii to being a sovereign state. I've never heard of any of these groups being called "the indigenous nationalist movement" though. But I think those would be better represented in an aricle on Hawaii or the Hawaiian language (or both).

Again, I can answer the questions fairly easily, but I'm not sure how to encorporate that information into the article without it being a "grab bag of facts".Drew R. Smith 07:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Starting series on their way

I'd like to start several series of articles on the way to approval, starting with the hopefully less controversial top-level. One good starting place is interrogation and a more challenging one is extrajudicial detention. They have "peer" or even higher-level articles such as eduction and elicitation, as well as going down into national and period policy.

Are the workgroups realistic in terms of coverage and available editors? Howard C. Berkowitz 15:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Finding a law editor could be a challenge. There is a lawyer at the University of Chicago who chairs the program in human rights and who likes me a whole lot who I might be able to convince to help us out. She's awfully busy though, so I don't want to waste a favor unless we're really confident that we've done the best job possible.

Otherwise, Roger Lohmann and Shamira Gelbman can probably cover politics and Daniel Mietchen can probably cover psychology, but I don't think these topics are within the fields of expertise for any of them. I'm at work now and waiting for a student who should be here in a few minutes, but I'll try to give it some attention tonight. --Joe (Approvals Manager) 16:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Could we consider using the available editors for the primary tasks, but getting non-citizen law experts to submit reviews to you? We're going to have the problem of expertise at the workgroup level of granularity; while I may be an expert on routing, I'm not on HTML, although both are Computers. In like manner, I know a lot about some military and intelligence technologies and periods, but, since I've been on a horse twice, I'm not the best to be writing about horse cavalry.

Apropos of that last, relatively few of the United States Army Special Forces personnel sent into Afghanistan to fight with the Northern Alliance could ride, and were severely chafed. Since there was no opportunity to measure them for chaps, the eventual solution was to airdrop heavy-duty pantyhose. Howard C. Berkowitz 16:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That is amusing. What article is that in?Drew R. Smith 07:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Afghanistan War (2001-). I expanded the section, and, since it's presumably stable material, put it into a text box. In general, I avoid text boxes as hard to edit while collaborative work is in progress.

In this case, my major concern is the background color — should it properly be beige, taupe, Nearly Nude, etc., and should it show texture? Was there any experimental use of fishnets? Howard C. Berkowitz 16:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Howard, the very short subsections in interrogation bother me. They make the article feel unfinished even if there isn't anything more to say about those topics. Is there a way that some or all of them could be incorporated into other parts of the text? --Joe (Approvals Manager) 16:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Other than things that should be clearly introductory to subordinate sections, I think those have been cleaned up. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Minor edit of an approved page

Please have a look at this: User talk:Jitse Niesen#Complex number page Peter Schmitt 23:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)