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I don't like the current definition. It includes only four countries in the | |||
main definition. I think there are six. | |||
Wikipedia has long complex ambiguous explanation. I think we can do better, | |||
but we haven't yet. | |||
Wikitravel says "The official Soviet (and UN) definition is: | |||
Afghanistan | |||
Kazakhstan | |||
Kyrgyzstan | |||
Tajikistan | |||
Turkmenistan | |||
Uzbekistan | |||
However, not being an encyclopedia, WT don't give citations. | |||
A UN map is at www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/centrasia.pdf | |||
It shows the last five above. UN office on drugs & crime lists the same | |||
five. http://www.unodc.org/uzbekistan/en/country_profile.html | |||
There's a group of states, the last five above, that are both Central Asian and | |||
former Soviet Republics. I cannot see why any definition of Central Asia would | |||
exclude any of them, but our current text makes Kyrgyzstan an optional extra, | |||
and WP cites a Russian term that excludes Kazakhstan. | |||
As I see it, Af has to be added; it is more central Asian in culture and | |||
history than anything else. I'd say WT have it right. | |||
A UN organisation for Central Asia is at http://www.unescap.org/oes/speca/ | |||
Seven members: the six above plus Azerbaijan. But if A is to be included, | |||
why not Georgia, Armenia, etc? I'd say the Caucasus is a different | |||
region. | |||
We need to say something about areas culturally related to Central Asia. | |||
Iran is arguably part of the region. Marco Polo calls the city of Bokhara | |||
"the best in all Persia" It is now in Uzbekistan. He also refers to Balkh | |||
(now in Afghanistan) as a Persian city. | |||
Xinjiang is a Chinese province, but the independence advocates call | |||
it East Turkestan. Ethinically they are mostly Uighur. Culturally | |||
they are Central Asian, Moslems speaking a language related to | |||
Turkish and some Central Asian languages. | |||
Mongolia? The Pushtu areas of Pakistan? Parts of Russia? | |||
Revision as of 06:09, 14 February 2009
Definition
I don't like the current definition. It includes only four countries in the main definition. I think there are six.
Wikipedia has long complex ambiguous explanation. I think we can do better, but we haven't yet.
Wikitravel says "The official Soviet (and UN) definition is:
Afghanistan Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Tajikistan Turkmenistan Uzbekistan
However, not being an encyclopedia, WT don't give citations.
A UN map is at www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/centrasia.pdf It shows the last five above. UN office on drugs & crime lists the same five. http://www.unodc.org/uzbekistan/en/country_profile.html
There's a group of states, the last five above, that are both Central Asian and former Soviet Republics. I cannot see why any definition of Central Asia would exclude any of them, but our current text makes Kyrgyzstan an optional extra, and WP cites a Russian term that excludes Kazakhstan.
As I see it, Af has to be added; it is more central Asian in culture and history than anything else. I'd say WT have it right.
A UN organisation for Central Asia is at http://www.unescap.org/oes/speca/ Seven members: the six above plus Azerbaijan. But if A is to be included, why not Georgia, Armenia, etc? I'd say the Caucasus is a different region.
We need to say something about areas culturally related to Central Asia.
Iran is arguably part of the region. Marco Polo calls the city of Bokhara "the best in all Persia" It is now in Uzbekistan. He also refers to Balkh (now in Afghanistan) as a Persian city.
Xinjiang is a Chinese province, but the independence advocates call it East Turkestan. Ethinically they are mostly Uighur. Culturally they are Central Asian, Moslems speaking a language related to Turkish and some Central Asian languages.
Mongolia? The Pushtu areas of Pakistan? Parts of Russia?