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==Welcome!==
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{{Getting Started}}
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{{ewelcome}} --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 21:45, 19 February 2008 (CST)
 
== Welcome and thanks ==
I'm just spending some time this morning thanking the newer/returned people who did weekend wiki work.  So, thanks, nice to have you here! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 08:17, 19 November 2007 (CST)
 
== Metadata ==
(In response to [[User_talk:Robert_W_King/Archive_2#Vanderlip_and_Metadata|this post]]):
 
Yep, that's great!  Just remember, the pagename is the actual name of the page (should be the same as the URL and in the wiki) and abc is just how it's categorized by.  Also, there is no precedence for categories (yet) so whatever order you wish to put them in does not affect which workgroups get priority (if any really).  --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:04, 19 November 2007 (CST)
 
== welcome back! ==
 
Welcome back! two items:
# can we make you an editor? CZ policy requires three editors approve history articles and the others have vanished on us so we need your help.
# how can we link CZ with the [http://historywiki.mich.edu EMU History Wiki] ?? have you seen our Eduzendium project? see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Citizendium_Press_Releases/Jan242008
We'd love to have your students write CZ articles. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 16:18, 18 February 2008 (CST)
:My fear is <!--And I've told Larry this-->that I'd be just another absentee editor.  I'm not here enough to be doing an editor's job.  How dire is the situation?  Are you the only historian/editor? [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 20:55, 18 February 2008 (CST)
::in practice, yes...alas. (N=15 nominally) dire.  But the excitement is to get students to work.  I'm retired but next week will be talking to a VPAA about my teaching a historiography course in which the kids write CZ articles. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 23:00, 18 February 2008 (CST)
:::I don't mean to eavesdrop exactly, but Richard, the latter is great news!  I hope you can swing it. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 23:06, 18 February 2008 (CST)
::::Sure, I'll apply.
:::::Hey great! we'll try not to seize your weekends and summer vacations. :) [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 20:31, 19 February 2008 (CST)
::::::Yes, great, nice to have you on board, Russell! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 22:00, 19 February 2008 (CST)
 
== Jefferson & Channing==
 
The debate subpage is a valuable innovation in CZ! [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 17:01, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:It was already there.  It was an unused subpage category.  I just don't get where Channing is critical of Jefferson, though.  I didn't see it in the couple chapters that I read.--[[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 17:34, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Channing ridicules Jefferson's contempt for the navy. pp36-7 [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 18:48, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::I still don't see it.  Channing is matter of fact.  He explains Jefferson's attempt to entice Samuel Smith to become Secy of Navy (from which comes the oft-reproduce quote about laying up the fleet in the Potomac River), and then the appointment Robert Smith.  He concludes his introductory paragraph, "[http://books.google.com/books?id=ZBYOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA37&dq=%22Jefferson+and+Gallatin+were+certainly+most+desirous%22&num=30&as_brr=0&ei=s8rAR5K2NoHgiQGOz5ixCA Jefferson and Gallatin were certainly most desirous to limit naval expenditure in every possible way but they reckoned without the North African pirates.  Indeed instead of laying up the ships high and dry on the shore they were obliged to send fleet after fleet to the Mediterranean and to build new vessels better suited for work in those waters]" (37).  I don't see ridicule unless one reads that paragraph as just dripping with sarcasm. --[[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 19:41, 23 February 2008 (CST)
::Channing says it reminds one of Queen Elizabeth who objected to letting the fleet sail because it might damage their paint. TJ and Gallatin hated the navy and wanted to put it in storage (and TJ even joking that it would be destroyed by their "plunderers"][[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 19:48, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:::Okay, but that's not exactly what Channing writes.  And really, ER has a point.  They were nicely painted ships.  Jones.
 
== Definitions updates==
Russel, I replied with the following on your Forum question:
 
Russel, the Need Def page will not update for an article with a new definition until the corresponding Talk page has been edited and saved.  You might have noticed that I have lots of "blank line for Need Def" updates on every page to which I add a new definition.
 
So, update the Talk page with a blank line or even just a space, save the edit.  Then refresh the Need Def page and you should see
the article name now removed from the list.

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