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| =archives of previous discussions=
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| | style="padding: 0.25em;"|'''Archive 1, 4-23-07:''' [[Talk:Computer/Archive1]]
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| I have archived previous discussions, since I totally reorganized [[Computer]], sending most of the old stuff either to [[Computer architecture]] or to [[History of computing]] (new article).[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 17:14, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| a rapid evolution can also be changed into revolution, and if we talk about microprocessor computing we do talk about the digital revolution. Any objection to changing that part? [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | <span style="background:black"> <font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font> </span> 17:52, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| ::I'm not sure what you're asking, but edit what you think best. I'd recommend avoiding getting too detailed about technology, however. Perhaps that discussion would belong better in [[history of computing]], which hopefully will have a breakdown of developments by decade.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 17:57, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :::P S - I wouldn't want to use a phrase like "digital revolution" without first explaining it. I think in terms of my grandmother--could she read what I wrote and get anything out of it? If not, it's too "jargony". That's my corny standard, anyways.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:19, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| ::: the rapid change of society is called the digital revolution, sorry for anybody but that is the generally accepted term for tha]] | <span style="background:black"> <font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font> </span> 18:23, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| ::::OK; can we put the definition in parentheses right after the first occurence of the term?[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:29, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :::::I reworded yours just a bit. Would you care to take a stab at writing [[digital revolution]]? Sounds like a complete article to me![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:34, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| =why can't I mark this as NOT from Wikipedia?=
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| When I uncheck the "from Wikipedia" on this article, it has no effect. This article is no longer anything like the original brought from Wikipedia. Someone please help![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 17:59, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| Pat, Jason is one of the few that can change it. Send an e-mail to constables@citizendium.org with the request. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | <span style="background:black"> <font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font> </span> 18:06, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :Thanks! I just did so.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:18, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| =applications archived here temporarily=
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| I don't yet know where (if at all) to include [[Talk:Computer/Applications|this stuff]].
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| ==Shannon==
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| Who added shannon to the computer page? His major contribution to computer science if the definition of shannon information. When a document contains NO shannon information - after being acted upon by an enigma - no link can be obtained from the resulting document to its original. A shannon enigma is seen as the perfect enigma where encryption comes to be important. Not many know about this person as he made his major contributions in the 1940's and a few in the 1950's - well before encryption engines were available wiht the depth and speed we have now. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | <span style="background:black"> <font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font> </span> 18:53, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| ::Robert, I'll have to double-check my facts, but I believe that Shannon (in addition to his well-known work in information theory) made the crucial connection between boolean algebra and "switching algebra". Without that, none of the circuits in a CPU could have ever been made to work with their current level of complexity. Or maybe my memory deceives me and it was someone else? I'm afraid I have to completely dispute your claim that "not many know about this person". Try a google.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:58, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :::While I'm about it, I don't think fiber optic communications would ever have come about without Shannon. While that's a complete specialty within computer science, it was world-changing. Not everyone knows that he is important, but a lot of people think he was. Still, do you have a suggestion for another name you'd like me to include instead?[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 19:00, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| There are in effect two (not related) Shannons thtat played a role, one in the late 60's - I assume the one you are referring to, and one in the 40/50's. According to me, but then I do this by heart the latter contributed to running pad enigmas as in defined them. He was at the fundament of symmetric and a-symmetric encryption. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | <span style="background:black"> <font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font> </span> 19:40, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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| =similar data?=
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| I'm removing the "similar" in the following sentence: "Some people define a computer as a [[machine]] for manipulating similar [[data]] according to a list of [[instruction (computer science)|instructions]] known as a [[computer program|program]]." because I don't really see why it's there, and it makes an already sentence longer without seeming to add much. Correct me if it really matters. Sorry to be so picky![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 20:54, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
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